Yes, obv. The day I fall and hit my head and forget how to read yet insist I didn't fall and hit my head and forget how to read, just ban me on sight.

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Thoughts/replies in the moderation thread where you must know this stuff belongs.

Where I'd also be interested in any views as to why this thread should remain open - it's on the verge of being closed.

My bad, which mod thread, pizza or non?

Preferably the non-pizza where more serious discussion and consideration will take place The !!! one if you dont want to be constrained by so many pesky rules.

There's no such thing as Muslim no-go zone here in the UK, and you're talking complete bollocks, in line with your other seven **** posts.

Please go away.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden

Sweden being an outlier is explained by better reporting / awareness, less stigma and a wider than usual range of offences counting as "rape". This is a good thing. I quote:

"The number of convictions has remained relatively unchanged since 2005, with approximately 190 convictions on average each year."

Who made you boss of Islam?

Someone help a fellow liberal out. Is it fair to say that Islam and those who practice it (generally) hold very regressive views about gender roles and (generally) are oppressive towards women? Is that a fair criticism of the faith/faithful?

Some options: Replace "Islam" with "humans". Replace "generally", and re-frame with "some".

"Some humans hold very regressive views about other humans" -edit- as a starting place to begin an investigation of regressive views.

Let me ask you, what is the distinctions between a 'generally normal' Christian and a 'generally normal' cristofacist? Is it a similar distinction between a "Muslim" and a "Muslim" with how "Muslims" is generally used in this thread and it's title?

Any increase is bad, but wil is panicking over 11 percent? That's statistical noise.

2012 was 68.5 rapes per 100,000 in Sweden. 2014 was 69 per 100,000.

Are you saying it's a cultural thing that's distinct from Islam?

Culture, religion, society, individuals, etc. are not like mechanical constructs where one part ends and another part begins.

So no, I have not said that.

I did suggest that keeping Muslims in a 'human' frame of view is a better way of approaching an of understanding Muslims and Islam. Why alienate Muslims exclusively in relation to the rest of us?

It has been a upwards trend for a long time, I have posted stats and graphs showing this before.

We lack up to date stats on immigrants, but going by the latest numbers we can see that immigrants are about 5x more likely to commit rape compared to a native Swede, the over representation from certain nationalities was about 20x. We have about 2 million immigrants in the country now, so regardless of our governments propaganda, it is very obvious that immigration has had a huge negative impact on our rape statistics.

I can't believe that I used to be so naive to believe the official narrative, I cringe every time I read a post like the one Europa wrote above. It just serves as a reminder that lies and propaganda actually work.

The latest study done by Danmark statistik(2010-2014) showed that non western immigrants were convicted of rape 8x more often than native Danes.

I'm assuming your numbers are correct. The question then, is: why are immigrants more likely to be convicted of rape? The alt-right and anti-Muslim posters have their answer, but it would be foolish to conclude they are correct based on these numbers.

The first thing to notice is the variation from year to year. I'm supposed to believe that in 2011 Muslims were 11.5x as rapey, but in 2012 they cut their tendencies in half, only to spike again in 2014? That seems obviously wrong. The variance is much more likely to be because these are fairly rare events, and so random variation in the numbers is causing large fluctuations in the relative rates here.

Since you didn't link to the actual study, I also wonder how these comparisons are made. Did they control for age? If immigrant populations skew younger, then that could account for some of the difference. What about income? Immigrants are obviously going to be less wealthy. What happens to the difference in rates when this is taken into account?

And this data is for convictions, so wealth might matter there as well. Are immigrants acquitted at the same rate as native-born Danes? Charged? Amnesty International argues that rape is not taken seriously in Denmark:

Perhaps Danish police are simply more likely to look the other way with respect to rape when the accused is a native-born Dane. I don't know if that's true, but I'd be surprised if more than half of immigrant rape cases were closed without prosecution.

So, by itself, the disparity here tells me next to nothing.

Denmark also isn't Sweden, which is what we were talking about. You can't simply compare rape statistics in different countries because there is nothing close to a standardized methodology of producing them. Case in point:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_s...ics_by_country

Sweden has about 63.5 rapes per 100k population. India has... 0.4. Hate Muslims immigrants all you want, but do you really think women in Sweden are almost 160 times more likely to get raped than in India?

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Its called rape culture.

Last year there were over 500 sexual assault cases on New Years in Cologne and other cities by migrants.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Ye...lts_in_Germany

Europe accepting the worst of the worst to enter with the other mass of migrants without proper screening procedures just doesn't benefit the native population by any metric. We thought everything would be fine, we were wrong.

Relative to what? Other religions? Christianity and the Abrahamic religions?

Is this a rhetorical question?

Just 2 mins on google answers this question in resounding yes.

Name me one, or more than one Islamic country off the top of your head that has progressive women's rights. You can't.

Well that's not what he asked but, hey, that never stopped an Islamophobe before today so why start now?

Bosnia&Herzegovina+Albania

Will you also accept Germany, Sweden and France? :>

It's a pattern of prejudice to just keep finding angles to fit the not scary people in with the scary. Telling it like that. Really the other way to look at is if you are not bigoted to the Muslims, invite them in and show them you aren't going to coerce their religion and give them the opportunity to show that as well. Otherwise, it looks like strings of excuse that never quite make it to explaining the not scary people included with the scary folks.

It may be unfair but you're going to have to produce credible sources that are in English.

You're going to have to do it in way that makes the effort to avoid offensive towards Muslims people or refugees.

We can of course discuss attitudes/practices towards women, which are a huge concern in many counties and where the West doesn't exactly cove itself in glory.

Not the sort of post that's acceptable here Tien. Sorry.

You cant make such a claim and then attempt to justify it with an anecdote.

For reasons that have been discussed, this thread is now closed.

There's a new thread to discuss the policies and approaches of the west towards immigration and refugees.