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01-04-2017 , 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
On second thought, I'm not interested in meeting someone IRL who advocates murdering people who love their enemy. That's my position too! Let's keep this relationship virtual.

Now, about that. Tell us how you really feel.
What about all the dead people in terrorist attacks? What about those dead people?

How many more Nice's have to happen before nationalists fight back?

I don't see many people here criticizing the policies and politicians that allow all those deaths to happen.

I know you aren't as much as a zealot as most in here, but at some point offering "free hugs" and hashtag pray for (insert country) isn't going to cut it anymore.
01-04-2017 , 11:37 PM
That's right, do what they want. Kickem back to ISIS. Nah, we'll killem with kindness, keep the war cold. What part of Europe are you in?
01-04-2017 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
That's right, do what they want. Kickem back to ISIS. Nah, we'll killem with kindness, keep the war cold. What part of Europe are you in?
Permits to get guns in countries like Austria are skyrocketing for a reason. If millions of Japanese people were immigrating to Europe, permits to get guns would not be skyrocketing.
01-05-2017 , 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Michael1999
I'm not advocating anything. I just said so what? People die everyday. 6 billion people on the planet.

Look at the bright side. One less carbon footprint.

Were you shocked that someone trying to let people in to destroy their country and culture got killed? I'm not.

Politicians like Jo Cox are creating civil unrest and civil war.

Divide and conquer is a very well know phrase for a reason.
Michael. You can't talk about Jo Cox that way and in this context. Nothing about killing being no big deal either please.

Please make more of an effort or the timeouts will have to start
01-05-2017 , 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Michael1999
Politicians like Jo Cox are creating civil unrest and civil war.
Until she was murdered by people inspired by the hate groups you gleefully endorse.


Seriously, this **** is a new low even for 2p2.
01-05-2017 , 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Michael. You can't talk about Jo Cox that way and in this context. Nothing about killing being no big deal either please.

Please make more of an effort or the timeouts will have to start

Jesus dude....in your country some one may not be able to offer an uncomfy opinion of a public official but this is an American website/ business, headquartered in America and if somenone has an opinion that a certain political official seems/seemed to be causing a certain uproar, I see no reason whatsoever for the suppression of his/her opinion...and by American law, a person is afforded the privilege to do exactly that

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01-05-2017 , 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by NoQuarter
Jesus dude....in your country some one may not be able to offer an uncomfy opinion of a public official but this is an American website/ business, headquartered in America and if a political official seems/seemed to be causing a certain uproar, I see no reason whatsoever for the suppression of his/her opinion...and by American law, a person is afforded the privilege to do exactly that
I'm not arresting him but Jo Cox was brutally murdered last July by a far right political extremist. That sort of post is not going to be allowed here.
01-05-2017 , 12:36 AM
O, by that logic....I had an actual friend murdered on 911....what are we going to do about the 911 thread?


And like i said, an opinion is an opinion and aloud in USA#1
01-05-2017 , 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by The REAL Trolly
Until she was murdered by people inspired by the hate groups you gleefully endorse.


Seriously, this **** is a new low even for 2p2.
"Hate" is just a propaganda word used against whites and Christians.

Notice how prevalent that word has become in the last 5-10 years?

Someone like Donald trump is labeled "hateful" and ironically, he wants to keep out the most "hate"ful group of people in the world.... Muslims.

The REAL "hate" comes from the left.... Who hates whites and or Christians.

The "hate" you perceive coming from groups like Britian First is really juSt self preservation of country and culture.
01-05-2017 , 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by NoQuarter
ok, by that logic....I had an actual friend murdered on 911....what are we going to do about the 911 thread?
That's terrible and it wouldn't be acceptable to me for people to post about your friend in a similar vein to that post about Jo Cox.
01-05-2017 , 12:52 AM
In what vein?

By this ladies actions did something happen that could be attributed to her, intentional or otherwise?

If evidence would dictate as such, I see no problem at all with an opinion of said actions/person whether the person in question is dead or alive.

Also how,when , by whom and by what means this lady died has no relevance wrt said opinion either afaik
01-05-2017 , 11:15 AM
There needs to be a distinction made between frothing at the mouth lunatics who believe in enforcement of Sharia law, and regular, peaceful Muslims very similar to most Christians , who really do constitute the bulk of Muslims.

There are some awful practices such as FGM which are widespread in many Muslim dominated countries and need to be and are being dealt with, but these attitudes/practices are continuously decreasing as proven by UN statistics

I definitely draw the line at FGM, I've told a close Muslim friend of mine that I find the practice horrific and he understood my position but would not provide a dissenting opinion on the practice because of the religious element. I found that very disappointing
01-05-2017 , 11:17 AM
Is he aware of Muslims groups who are against FGM?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...slamic-condemn

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The Muslim Council of Britain, the country's largest Muslim organisation, has condemned the practice of female genital mutilation as "un-Islamic" and told its members that FGM risks bringing their religion into disrepute.

The influential MCB has for the first time issued explicit guidance, which criticises the practice and says it is "no longer linked to the teaching of Islam". It added that one of the "basic principles" of Islam was that believers should not harm themselves or others.
01-05-2017 , 11:17 AM
Oh I also want to add that a Saudi in Boston said hey look at my phone, and showed me a shot of a woman's vagina with a severed clitoris. I smacked him in the face. I wasn't charged, as I was (visually) assaulted and acted in self defense. Cathartic. ****ing scumbag!
01-05-2017 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Is he aware of Muslims groups who are against FGM?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...slamic-condemn
I think he must be.

I sent him the UN statement against FGM, as well as details on their successful campaign against these practices and how they have decreased in several countries. He found it interesting but just wouldn't make a comment against his religion (and he's not a deeply devout Muslim, doesn't pray regularly etc).

Thanks for the link. I'm going to get his opinion.
01-05-2017 , 12:09 PM
Apologies because I've posted on this before, it's a view I held till being put right by a Muslim friend of mine who opposes FGM.

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Originally Posted by dereds
Relatedly and a minor point so apologies for the detail. FGM is better understood as a regional problem most prevalent in particular parts of Africa than as a problem for Muslims. From wiki

[I]FGM is mostly found in what political scientist Gerry Mackie describes as an "intriguingly contiguous" zone in Africa – east to west from Somalia to Senegal, and north to south from Egypt to Tanzania

Although FGM's origins in northeastern Africa are pre-Islamic, the practice became associated with Islam because of that religion's focus on female chastity and seclusion.

FGM is also practised by animist groups, particularly in Guinea and Mali, and by Christians.[156] In Niger, for example, 55 percent of Christian women and girls have experienced FGM, compared with two percent of their Muslim counterparts[/I]

I had this pointed out to me when I made the exact same assumption in a similar conversation with a friend of mine. It's a pretty common mistake but yeah I don't see a problem suggesting that local Muslim leaders advocate against the practice wherever Muslims are being subjected to FGM. But this is happening at least to some extent. From the UNFPA-UNICEF Joint Programme on Female Genital Mutilation/Cutting: Accelerating Change Summary report.

[I]FIVE YEAR RESULTS: Religious and traditional leaders as agents of change In Eritrea, Ethiopia and the Sudan, leaders of several faiths (Muslim, Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant) declared that FGM/C is not a requirement of their religion.

In Egypt, the Grand Imam of Al Azhar University made, and later reconfirmed, a pronouncement stating that FGM/C is not part of Islam.

In Mali, 25,965 leaders have pledged in favour of abandoning FGM/C, with 200 of them making public statements. In Somalia, religious leaders in Puntland issued a fatwa, demonstrating high-level commitment towards abandonment. Since the beginning of the Joint Programme, more than 1,500 religious leaders in Somalia have participated in training for advocacy on FGM/C abandonment and were actively involved in the advocacy campaign. Koranic teachers received training and incorporated FGM/C abandonment dialogues in school lessons.
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01-05-2017 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael1999
What about all the dead people in terrorist attacks? What about those dead people?
'Let's murder an MP because of all the people killed by terrorism'
01-05-2017 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by NoQuarter
Jesus dude....in your country some one may not be able to offer an uncomfy opinion of a public official but this is an American website/ business, headquartered in America and if somenone has an opinion that a certain political official seems/seemed to be causing a certain uproar, I see no reason whatsoever for the suppression of his/her opinion...and by American law, a person is afforded the privilege to do exactly that
Jo Cox wasn't causing any uproar at all. The murderer was a neo-Nazi fanatic. And you're on the World Wide Web, the creation of an Englishman working in Geneva. You are not in Kansas any more, Toto.
01-05-2017 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ActionJeff
There needs to be a distinction made between frothing at the mouth lunatics who believe in enforcement of Sharia law, and regular, peaceful Muslims very similar to most Christians , who really do constitute the bulk of Muslims.

There are some awful practices such as FGM which are widespread in many Muslim dominated countries and need to be and are being dealt with, but these attitudes/practices are continuously decreasing as proven by UN statistics

I definitely draw the line at FGM, I've told a close Muslim friend of mine that I find the practice horrific and he understood my position but would not provide a dissenting opinion on the practice because of the religious element. I found that very disappointing
You draw the line at FGM, but their pedophile rape culture that most "regular" Muslims adhere to is ok in your book?

Child brides and banging little girls is totally commonplace and accepted in the Muslim world.

Continental wide rape crisis going on in Europe right now because of regular Muslims who have been allowed to pour into Europe.

Sorry bro, your cool Americanized cool Muslim buddy isn't like the Syrians, Somalis, afghanis etc that are flooding Europe. 3 million Muslim Americans who are largely fantastic, a few bad seeds here and there not unlike any other group. But to think the ones pouring in are like the Muslims you know in America couldn't be further from the truth.

Last edited by Michael1999; 01-05-2017 at 03:32 PM.
01-05-2017 , 03:20 PM
If you could magically erase FGM from the world tomorrow it isn't like the Muslim world becomes civilized.
01-05-2017 , 06:49 PM
Sorry Michael. That's a 1 day time out

Please dont post again in this thread or on this topic in any other thread for 24 hours.
01-05-2017 , 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Sorry Michael. That's a 1 day time out

Please dont post again in this thread or on this topic in any other thread for 24 hours.
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01-05-2017 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
Jo Cox wasn't causing any uproar at all. The murderer was a neo-Nazi fanatic. And you're on the World Wide Web, the creation of an Englishman working in Geneva. You are not in Kansas any more, Toto.
Many Americans actually believe the internet works like he thinks it does. It takes like 3 seconds of common sense to know otherwise.
01-05-2017 , 08:14 PM
Pretty sure you and 57 on red are the ones who dont understand what I am saying

Either that or you are actively attempting to escalate in hopes I accidentally step on my own toes and get punished accordingly

So byeee
01-05-2017 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Sorry Michael. That's a 1 day time out

Please dont post again in this thread or on this topic in any other thread for 24 hours.
hahahaha... this is comical!

      
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