How about the Iraq War.

So the actions of the American military in the middle east, is what is causing north african men to commit mass murder in western Europe?

Mass-murdering association with immigrants and refugees thread achievement unlocked.

North African muslim fanatics have committed a whole lot of mass murder in Western Europe recently, more specifically France, in the name of Islam.
I get that this is politically sensitive, that makes it no less true.
On a more generall level, it is obvious that western Europe has imported middle eastern religious violence, with the import of people from that region.

Also, let us completly ignore that the original claim was, that the terrorism was a response to the actions of the American military.
I disproved that by pointing out that the perpetrators were from a country not part of the conflict.
The country attacked? Also not part of the conflict.
This is pretty vital if you want to claim that violent jihadism is a response to US forign policy, not that it does not deserve critisicm.

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http://www.grubstreet.com/2017/03/po...ed-by-ice.html

Innocent people aren't participating in the association of criminality with them, however it's phrased.

Americans, British and some others - but yes, a huge factor.

The situation in France is more complex because its behaviour during the Algerian War won't have been forgotten in North Africa.

Which is why we are seeing the same problems in Germany and Belgium.
It is almost like jihadi apologists just latches on to any explanation that can help deflect blame.

I don't think anyone here fits the description of a jihadi apologist. That's a ridiculous and offensive statement, especially to someone working in central London who's at the sharp end of terrorist threats.

The exact motivations of AQ and ISIS seem to be quite different, though both focus on what they see as degenerate targets which include most Western countries.

Nevertheless, France has probably born the brunt of continental Islamic extremist terrorism because of the same reasons other countries have been targetted, plus its own dire history in North Africa from several decades ago.

Sorry if this argument is a bit too nuanced for you.

US foreign policy is most definitely a factor. There have been young Brittish people that have been radicalized. If you listen to Choudrey a man responsible for radicalizing some of our youth he sells western occupation as a war on Muslims not necessarily as a war on those specific countries.

If the Danish government is anything like the Swedish one then they are actually seem really lenient towards Muslim immigrants offenders.

As to your second comment in the UK ( I assume its similar in Sweden) the group most affected by Muslim immigration are usually the working class as they will be the ones competing most with the immigrants for jobs and those in less affluent areas as that is where Muslims migrants will move in en mass.

In the UK you will often get the most lenient views on immigration from those least affected by it. It will always be middle class/ rich people who dont live next to or dont have to compete with immigrants for jobs pontificating from their ivory tower and judging those who dare to have reservation about mass immigration.

As it happens I am actually pro immigration but think we need to be careful when importing lots of Muslim immigrants from war torn countries that struggle to assimilate into ours. We have a duty to take some as our foreign policy has has forced alot of these immigrants to have to leave their homelands.

I think we need to find ways for them to assimilate more and also we need to stop calling whose most affected by immigration racist when they are expressing their opinions.

Yeah that is super complicated.
That thing you guys always ignore, is why Muslims are the only people motivated to terrorism by historical grievances.
Think of the massacres, torture and oppression of the Hindus by the British, how many Hindus have blown up buses in London?
How many non Muslims have committed terrorism in Germany as retaliation for the crimes of the Nazis?
Where are the native american suicide bombers?
Jihadists are not motivated by generic anger, they are Ideologues.

That or Judas Priest albums.

What about the White Christian Terrorism?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/worl...icle-1.2959168
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charle...hurch_shooting
http://www.alternet.org/human-rights/white-men-war-cops

Swedish minister does U-turn on comments about Sweden's sex crimes

Incompetence or just lying and hoping to get away with it? It actually wouldn't surprise me if she never looked at the statistics in her life. Many of our politicians live in a bubble where nobody ever questions them.

https://www.thelocal.se/20170304/fak...ens-sex-crimes

Reported crimes by category in Sweden 1980 - 2015 per 100000 people:

yes we had about 6000 thousand reports of rape in 2015 compared to Denmarks 419.

All these serious categories are increasing and rape has not seen any sudden increase due to changing laws. Are we really supposed to believe that Swedish people merely report these serious crimes now much more often than in the 1980's?

1. Serious violent crime including murder with risk for death
2. severe assault
3. sexual crime
4. Rape
5. destruction of property
6. fraud
7. robberies

Generalizations about Muslims are noticed.

Also noticed is that this is the immigration and refugees thread, not the Scandinavian amateur crime statistics repository thread. Maybe crime-mongers can start over on the topic with a new approach?

Anti abortion terrorists have killed nine people in the last 40 years, the last in 2009.
Islamic terrorists topped that yesterday.
Sure christian terrorism is also a problem, it is just an insignificant speck of a problem compared to the massive global problem of violent jihad.

The discussion is directly related to immigration. Have you not followed the debacle following Trumps Sweden comments? Our Swedish minister would not have been a guest on BBC had Trump not talked about Swedish immigration.

What is a crime-monger?

Fox News Continues to Lie About Sweden...and you right-wingers continue to eat it up.

https://mediamatters.org/blog/2017/0...efugees/215534

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/u...or-threat.html

What % of the US population is christian and what % is is Muslim?

Are Muslims over represented in terrorist attacks? I mean by sheer force of numbers there should be more christian terrorist attacks. If your saying that there are twice as many christian terrorist attacks than there were Muslim terrorist attacks and 20 % of the population was Christian and 10% were Muslim then your argument would hold some weight.

According to wiki though the US is made up of 1% Muslims and 70% Christians and yet they are managing half as many terrorist attacks.

Its not outrageous or controversial to say that the Islamic world has a big terrorist problem at the moment, far bigger than the Christian one.

I do think that western foreign policy has contributed to this as well. How much is up for debate though.

Yeah if you only care about the US, were Muslims make up about .8% of the population.
Look at it globally and it is obvious that Islamic terrorism is a threat many orders of magnitude worse, than all other violent ideologies put together.

I'm probably more likely to die of a lightning strike, gtfo with this fearmongering.

Invoking crime into the immigrant and refugee discussion and asserting it is related fails to justify the repetitive association of criminality with innocent immigrants and refugees.