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03-06-2017 , 10:19 AM
I mean, if that were an actual plan, then it seems reasonable that immigrants would start with a single state. A small one. They could take over Wyoming in a matter of years. Do they? No.
03-06-2017 , 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
Not that far out there that millions of refugees would plan on moving to the US and having as many kids as possible so that in 80 years they will be able to control the country since they will obviously all vote the same way?

That's a dumb conspiracy theory with zero evidence to back it up. Even if some people have this idea, it's insane to think that every immigrant would be in on it--and damn near every one would have to be for it to work.

The much more obvious reason that people would want to move here is because we are a wealthy nation with a lot of freedom.
Far fetched to think this would be a premeditated plan. Not unreasonable to think these results could just naturally happen over time.
03-06-2017 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Black Peter
I don't necessarily agree with the theory, but it's actually not that far out there, and they wouldn't be the first group who planned it that way. Some people think long-term. Just because you're not one of them only makes their job easier.
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism/
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7. To people who feel deprived of a clear social identity, Ur-Fascism says that their only privilege is the most common one, to be born in the same country. This is the origin of nationalism. Besides, the only ones who can provide an identity to the nation are its enemies. Thus at the root of the Ur-Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged. The easiest way to solve the plot is the appeal to xenophobia. But the plot must also come from the inside: Jews are usually the best target because they have the advantage of being at the same time inside and outside. In the US, a prominent instance of the plot obsession is to be found in Pat Robertson’s The New World Order, but, as we have recently seen, there are many others.
Ur-Fascism, Humberto Eco
03-06-2017 , 01:13 PM

https://twitter.com/rwtquotes/status/838599727922962432

https://twitter.com/saladinahmed/sta...98134306291712
03-06-2017 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerodox
One more try.

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Originally Posted by daca
i dont buy this. there's no study from danmarks statistik saying anything like that. i have never seen this number and we have plenty of rightwing clowns that would have brought it up. if it's not made up entirely it's atleast misleading because it doesnt do simple stuff like adjust for age differences.

the conventional age-adjusted number is non-western immigrants are roughly 50% more likely to be convicted of crimes and a little more so of violent crimes.
Conventional? From what source?

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Originally Posted by 13ball
This again? What about it? Can you explain the wide fluctuation in how rapey immigrants are?
What about it? It shows 8X rape convictions. Adjusting for demographics is a good idea. I haven't seen that conversation play out yet.

You also asked how to account for the fluctuation. I think that is just the noisiness of data. The 8X average remains.

I am still asking about this data as well. I don't know if it is valid, though I have no reason to think it's invalid.
03-06-2017 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerodox
One more try.
And you actually believe that, do you? Because Marn (a Sweden Democrat, i.e. a neo-Nazi) happens to post it? How not very surprising.
03-06-2017 , 04:51 PM
Not as a rule, but just as a practical matter, how about address the argument?
03-06-2017 , 05:53 PM
Dr. David Duke is a big fan of revoking travel rights of American citizens too.


https://twitter.com/DrDavidDuke/stat...64266828611585
03-06-2017 , 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
It's still dumb. Immigrants are sweeping into the US hoping to gain control of the US government in four generations? Come on, son.
Nativist fear of loss of control of government due to immigrants. Classic.
03-06-2017 , 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Duh. I said i didn't agree with the theory. But just because i don't agree with something, doesn't mean i don't give it consideration. Every once in awhile, open your mind to the possibility that the world you perceive is not the one that is reality. Also, labeling somebody a cool name doesn't make it so. It's just mentally lazy.
03-06-2017 , 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
Not that far out there that millions of refugees would plan on moving to the US and having as many kids as possible so that in 80 years they will be able to control the country since they will obviously all vote the same way?

That's a dumb conspiracy theory with zero evidence to back it up. Even if some people have this idea, it's insane to think that every immigrant would be in on it--and damn near every one would have to be for it to work.

The much more obvious reason that people would want to move here is because we are a wealthy nation with a lot of freedom.
That "conspiracy theory" isn't all that outlandish, especially in light of the alliance of the left and islam, combined with the suppression of free speech.

We see these things happening right now in Europe. Why would it be outlandish to be concerned about it? All it takes is for people to label opposing opinions as "hate speech" and banning it (like in Germany) and excusing certain behaviors from certain groups, and it's plausible.

As far as voting as a group, looking at demographics in the US and how they vote doesn't make it unimaginable at all.

I don't even see how you could make this argument. Unlikely? Maybe. Impossible? Lol no.
03-06-2017 , 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
That "conspiracy theory" isn't all that outlandish, especially in light of the alliance of the left and islam, combined with the suppression of free speech.

We see these things happening right now in Europe. Why would it be outlandish to be concerned about it? All it takes is for people to label opposing opinions as "hate speech" and banning it (like in Germany) and excusing certain behaviors from certain groups, and it's plausible.

As far as voting as a group, looking at demographics in the US and how they vote doesn't make it unimaginable at all.

I don't even see how you could make this argument. Unlikely? Maybe. Impossible? Lol no.
"Maybe" unlikely. LOL at this dude forever and always.

Interested to see where wil thinks this is happening right now in Europe though! Just so nobody gets lost, "this" refers to MILLIONS of REFUGEES coordinating to come into a country and take it over 4 generations from now.

What we see here is:
1. lack of understanding regarding scope
2. lack of understanding re: refugees.

Yeah, totally bro these people were like "let's get displaced from our home country by the millions because of war/human rights violations and do our very best to end up in the same place and become a voting bloc with enough power to take over another"
03-06-2017 , 10:37 PM
And there you have it ladies and gentlemen! wil shifts the goalposts right before he realizes his lack of understanding resulting in low content posts has gotten him a 2 day timeout! Just in time! Now he has an excuse for running w his tail between his legs! Bravo!

Just like everyone else, I am shocked, SHOCKED I TELL YOU, that he neglected to answer where we can already "see these things happening right now in Europe" when pressed.

So nobody like wil gets lost, again:

The claim was MILLIONS of current REFUGEES actually have a PLAN to move to the US and take over the govt in 4 generations.

To wil, this is a "conspiracy theory" (his quotation marks) that is only MAYBE unlikely. lololol

Now, back to reality for the next 2 days. Should be a welcome relief.

Last edited by ymmv; 03-06-2017 at 10:41 PM. Reason: lol deleted his post, appropriate.
03-06-2017 , 10:42 PM
Not to worry.

Sharia law's probably not that bad once you get used to it.
03-07-2017 , 12:47 AM
You should be more worried about old school OT Christian biblical Law coming here. Maybe we should ban people from countries which are majority Christian until we figure out what the hell is going on.
03-07-2017 , 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by pokerodox
Conventional? From what source?
the yearly publication on immigrants in denmark by the danish statistics agency
03-07-2017 , 11:24 AM
NQ - you cannot post selected nonPC quotes. No-one doubts that within such a vast group of people you can find a few who will say pretty much anything you want.
03-07-2017 , 11:41 AM
it's not suicide that you might end up having immigrant neighbors. you would have to be a psycho to believe so.

the homicide rate in sweden is half of what it is in boring ass places like vermont or montana. even if it's twice as high for refugees as regular swedes, which probably isnt even true, those same people would still lower the crime rate in whatever ****ty place youre living.
03-07-2017 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
NQ - you cannot post selected nonPC quotes. No-one doubts that within such a vast group of people you can find a few who will say pretty much anything you want.

STOP dissmissing and censoring threatening quotes as coming from a FEW, when , in fact these FEW are actually LEADERS in the comunities of these so called "vulnerable groups"

LEADERS CAN , AND DO LEAD MANY


You are doing a major disservice to innocent people who have the right to chose to be safe rather than sorry REGARDLESS what society thinks about them or wants to tell them. And part of that being safe is learning about threats they might not normally be made aware of through their usual sources for whatever reason


You obv have an agenda and it aint for the good of the people


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Originally Posted by daca
it's not suicide that you might end up having immigrant neighbors. you would have to be a psycho to believe so.



the homicide rate in sweden is half of what it is in boring ass places like vermont or montana. even if it's twice as high for refugees as regular swedes, which probably isnt even true, those same people would still lower the crime rate in whatever ****ty place youre living.
Didnt say anything about some random immigrant you lying decietful disingenuous swine. I am talking about the violent pieces of trash that continue to make threats of world domination and the taking over of countries of "non believing infidels"

Dont they have non American sites that you can go and spew your American hate?

Last edited by NoQuarter; 03-07-2017 at 12:21 PM.
03-07-2017 , 12:16 PM
Oh and as far as this "among vast groups of people" dissmissal stance, there are graphs....remember TS's big blue circle graph?

One only needs to go to the "what mooslims think" thread to see what you say is bull ****...You know, the one you closed cause the truth was rustling too many snowflakes panties
03-07-2017 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by NoQuarter
Didnt say anything about some random immigrant you lying decietful disingenuous swine. I am talking about the violent pieces of trash that continue to make threats of world domination and the taking over of countries of "non believing infidels"
sorry, i didnt get your hatred entirely accurate, so let me rephrase it: it's not suicide to have muslim immigrant neighbors and you would have to be a psycho to think so. they would probably even lower the crime rate of whatever area youre living in.
03-07-2017 , 12:25 PM
Not all mooslims are radical u r-word

Now be gone b4 a house falls on you



Somebody got your cell phone chez? Aint it middle of the night in your country?
03-07-2017 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by daca
the yearly publication on immigrants in denmark by the danish statistics agency
From the summary you linked to, no statistics on non western immigrant rape rate could be found. I am pretty sure this information is available to everyone since their raw data is public. I have seen these charts a number of times and not seen them debunked, they are also not out of line with the Swedish 1999 study which I have verified. If these are not the true numbers, then what are the true numbers?

btw, I assume you are Danish.

Last edited by Marn; 03-07-2017 at 12:38 PM.
03-07-2017 , 12:34 PM
i'll stop guessing at whoever it is you hate and just say that it's obviously not suicide to have whatever you mean by vulnerable groups as neighbors and insane to think so. you have no idea what youre talking about

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This is exactly what I am talking about as well when I speak of SJWs wanting to commit suicide and when I say certain "vulnerable groups" will become "too big to fail".
03-07-2017 , 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Marn
From the summary you linked to, no statistics on non western immigrant rape rate could be found. I am pretty sure this information is available to everyone since their raw data is public. I have seen these charts a number of times and not seen them debunked, they are also not out of line with the Swedish 1999 study which I have verified. If these are not the true numbers, thben what are they?

btw, I assume you are Danish.
the most likely explanation is that they havent adjusted for for the fairly large age differences so theyve produced something wildly misleading. the second most likely explanation is that it's just something they've made up.

it's not charts or numbers that have ever been used in denmark.

      
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