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05-31-2017 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Marn
Help them close to warzones at the fraction of the cost.

We are spending absurd amounts of money on grown up children because of our naivety in Sweden. 40% of the all unaccompanied minors coming to the entire EU came to Sweden, the reason why was clear to many of us for a long time. Only now is the mainstream press picking up on this after 75% of so called minors who were age tested turned out to be over 18 years old with generous testing methods.

Just how much good could that budget have done in foreign aid? Foreign aid which we cut down to finance this mass immigration.

Sweden highlights how blind idealism can do more harm than good.
I'd like to see a cite for this age testing please.
05-31-2017 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Subterranean2
It was a honest question, from reading your post im not sure if you get that no one thinks refugees will pay more taxes from day 1 when they enter the country than they recieve in aid.

Do you understand that immigrants that have spent 5 years in Denmark provided exactly the same as native Danes to public services then immigrants in total would still peforme worse on the chart your linking?
Every citizen should provide more taxes than the average citizen for the most productive years of their lives for them to be net neutral contributors to the welfare system. These studies clearly show that this is not the case despite a beneficial age demographic.

They will never catch up. Their taxable income is half that of natives in the age group of 15-65. Non western immigrants have a 50% a employment rate after 15 years in the country.
05-31-2017 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
I'd like to see a cite for this age testing please.
First google hit, i know RT is suspect, but the story has multiple publications in national news over the last week. If this is not satisfactory I will search for other English reports on this national news.

https://www.rt.com/news/390318-swede...ests-refugees/

here is another more 'trustworthy' news site
https://www.thelocal.se/20170530/fir...sessment-tests

after reading the second link, they lie about several factors. These tests were done on those who volunteered , the true number is not at all likely to be lower than the number given, rather the opposite. I would bet that close to 90% of unaccompanied miniors seeking asylum in Sweden were in fact adults.

Last edited by Marn; 05-31-2017 at 02:41 PM.
05-31-2017 , 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Not just a longer term view. The issue I have with your pov Marn is that you dont seem to seriously consider it may be the policies/attitude of the country taking the immigrants.

Do you think the immigrants get treated equally when applying for jobs?
what do you think the reason are for immigrants having trouble in the euro job market. if you dare to articulate your view, try to list as many as possible and give them your estimated weight
05-31-2017 , 02:47 PM
from the article you linked Marn

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The Migration Agency stressed the figures did not show that asylum seekers who lie about their age represent the majority of applicants, as the tests are only carried out in cases where it believes existing evidence is not enough.

"If all unaccompanied minors had undergone a medical age evaluation then the results would likely have been different," Daniel Salehi, a manager at the agency, told Swedish newswire TT. He said the result would then have been the opposite, that most unaccompanied children are indeed under the age of 18.
Do you think thats relevant infromation Marn? Do you see how your inital post makes it seem like they tested random immigrants claiming to be under 18 years old and found that 75% off them are over 18.

This is why people want source from the stuff you post, at best you lie by omission.
05-31-2017 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Subterranean2
from the article you linked Marn



Do you think thats relevant infromation Marn? Do you see how your inital post makes it seem like they tested random immigrants claiming to be under 18 years old and found that 75% off them are over 18.

This is why people want source from the stuff you post, at best you lie by omission.
I already edited that last post. if anything, the fact that they include this and omit other very relevant information just shows how untrustworthy the MSM is.

Lets just ask the question of why 40% of all unaccompanied minors in the EU chose Sweden, the only country not age testing minors. We had a proven 40 yo accepted as a minor ffs, Why did they all chose Sweden and why is age testing still voluntary?
05-31-2017 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Marn
after reading the second link, they lie about several factors. These tests were done on those who volunteered , the true number is not at all likely to be lower than the number given, rather the opposite. I would bet that close to 90% of unaccompanied miniors seeking asylum in Sweden were in fact adults.
It would be nice if you had sources for these claims since you posting history suggest that you lie or dont understand the stuff you read
05-31-2017 , 02:55 PM
I guess they chose Sweden because of the lovely welcoming people there.
05-31-2017 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Subterranean2
It would be nice if you had sources for these claims since you posting history suggest that you lie or dont understand the stuff you read
No, my posting history suggests that I am truthful in my posting, when did i lie?
05-31-2017 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
I guess they chose Sweden because of the naive brainwashed leftists over there.
FYP
05-31-2017 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Subterranean2
It would be nice if you had sources for these claims since you posting history suggest that you lie or dont understand the stuff you read
Article from a respected journalist from one of our major daily newspapers.

https://translate.google.com/transla...av%2Fivar-arpi

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How representative is the group that has now been investigated? It is hard to say. Of those who are judged to have set too low age in Denmark, two out of three are actually adults. The same proportion applies to Finland and Norway - even when the assessments are "generous". It would not be unbelievable if the proportion was higher in Sweden, as it is still voluntary to undergo an age assessment here.
05-31-2017 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Marn
Article from a respected journalist from one of our major daily newspapers.

https://translate.google.com/transla...av%2Fivar-arpi
If you read the article again you should see that he is talking about immigrants that during the asylum seeking process have been suspected of being over the age of 18 while claiming to be under the age of 18.

WHile in your comment that I asked you to source

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Originally Posted by Marn
after reading the second link, they lie about several factors. These tests were done on those who volunteered , the true number is not at all likely to be lower than the number given, rather the opposite. I would bet that close to 90% of unaccompanied miniors seeking asylum in Sweden were in fact adults.
you are talking about all unaccompanied minors.


Like if the cops pulled over drivers they suspected is driving drunk and find that 75% of them are drunk, would you make the claim that 75% of all drivers are drunk?
06-03-2017 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Subterranean2


Like if the cops pulled over drivers they suspected is driving drunk and find that 75% of them are drunk, would you make the claim that 75% of all drivers are drunk?
The correct analogy here is the cops pulling over suspected drunk and drivers and letting them volunteer for a breathalyzer test with a very forgiving breathalyzer test.
We don't know how many are suspected, but there are anecdotal reasons to believe that the majority of all minors coming to Sweden are/were adults. One of the main reasons is that we do not have more generous rules for minors than say Denmark, Germany of Norway, but we had a policy of not testing for age. Now why did 40% of all unaccompanied minors arriving to the entire EU chose Sweden? Please answer the question.

hint!: it is much easier to get your asylum granted as an unaccompanied minor and you also get much better treatment and living conditions.

Our prime minister posing with 'minors':



As a betting person I would say 80-90% of all unaccompanied minors were in fact over 18yo, sometimes much older.

Last edited by Marn; 06-03-2017 at 02:23 PM.
06-03-2017 , 02:46 PM
and even if it's true, the difference it makes to you and to Sweden is...what?
06-03-2017 , 02:47 PM
btw, jalfrezi, where did you get that 'pensioners will be starving' narrative from?

Last edited by whosnext; 06-03-2017 at 03:21 PM. Reason: edited out an insult (even though I hate editing posts)
06-03-2017 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
and even if it's true, the difference it makes to you and to Sweden is...what?
Is this a serious question? Like holy **** think about it for a few minutes why it might matter!

hint: unaccompanied minors cost us more tax payer money than our entire police force last year + many more reasons, try to be creative!
06-03-2017 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Marn
The correct analogy here is the cops pulling over suspected drunk and drivers and letting them volunteer for a breathalyzer test with a very forgiving breathalyzer test.
We don't know how many are suspected, but there are anecdotal reasons to believe that the majority of all minors coming to Sweden are/were adults. One of the main reasons is that we do not have more generous rules for minors than say Denmark, Germany of Norway, but we had a policy of not testing for age. Now why did 40% of all unaccompanied minors arriving to the entire EU chose Sweden? Please answer the question.

hint!: it is much easier to get your asylum granted as an unaccompanied minor and you also get much better treatment and living conditions.

Our prime minister posing with 'minors':



As a betting person I would say 80-90% of all unaccompanied minors were in fact over 18yo, sometimes much older.
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/430...b170b8cb14.pdf

People are more likely to overestimate the age of faces than underestimate and Caucasians are worse at estimating the ages of non-Caucasians than of other Caucasians.
06-03-2017 , 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/430...b170b8cb14.pdf

People are more likely to overestimate the age of faces than underestimate and Caucasians are worse at estimating the ages of non-Caucasians than of other Caucasians.
I know that, but after following this for many years, everything points to widespread fraud, partly orchestrated by smugglers and their networks.

For example when unaccompanied minors commit severe crimes and get caught, they are usually ruled to be over 18 after testing.
06-03-2017 , 03:11 PM
Marn - try to consider the long term benefits, rather than squinting at your P/L for this year.

If you were a businessman your business would be going nowhere.

Last edited by whosnext; 06-03-2017 at 04:51 PM. Reason: another ninja-edit (per request)
06-03-2017 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
Marn the neo-Nazi party supporter - try to consider the long term benefits, rather than squinting at your P/L for this year.

If you were a businessman your business would be going nowhere.
triggered! Come back when you have something of substance to say, like answering simple questions.

I already addressed the long term-profit.

Last edited by whosnext; 06-03-2017 at 04:14 PM. Reason: another ninja-edit (removing an insult)
06-03-2017 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Marn
I know that, but after following this for many years, everything points to widespread fraud, partly orchestrated by smugglers and their networks.

For example when unaccompanied minors commit severe crimes and get caught, they are usually ruled to be over 18 after testing.
Could be or not, I don't know.

But, the people in that picture may not be 18 or over. It's close imo. I have a 17 year old kid and see people in that age range a lot.
06-03-2017 , 03:20 PM
Marn has no need for mere science - one look at a photograph is quite enough for him.

Coming from a white enclave country he probably doesn't even realise that the rate of physical development in young people varies enormously around the world.
06-03-2017 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
Marn has no need for mere science - one look at a photograph is quite enough for him.

Mere science, like judging ages from a photograph? Just stop with the self ownage.

Like I didn't even post that picture as anything other than a funny visualization of the absurdity of it all. It is not meant to be evidence.
06-03-2017 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Marn
Our prime minister posing with 'minors':



As a betting person I would say 80-90% of all unaccompanied minors were in fact over 18yo, sometimes much older.
Referring to them as minors in quotes implies that you're questioning that, and posting that photograph as supposed evidence of your suspicions, which as I edited into my previous post, are invalid because you're too sheltered and ignorant (not your fault though) to realise that young people develop physically at much early ages in some parts of the world than others.
06-03-2017 , 03:33 PM
I already said that I realize that people develop differently, they still look like grownups to me and should be treated as grownups until proven otherwise. So yes, I absolutely question that they are minors, the reason Sweden as a nation did not do so is the same reason we received 40% of all unaccompanied minors of the entire EU.

      
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