Well, are you? Please could you say it if so?

Sort of posted this in the wrong thread, so just copying.

So what do you actually believe? You never even made clear what kind of immigration you think has a positive economic impact on the host country, or do you believe all groups of immigrants have a positive effect like only the most extreme and brainwashed leftists believe?

The bulk of academic studies is on my side and I also know the counterarguments from the left. Do you know them? I am just trying to figure out how clueless you are.

References are given in Tino Sanandajis book, but I won't look for online links to them unless I have to, instead here is a chart from a Danish government sponsored study on the net costs of immigrants.

Fig 1.3: Cost by age, dark blue native Danish, light blue western immigrants, red non western immigrants. At no age group are non western immigrants a net positive to the Danish economy.

Fig 1.4: Light blue adjusts for age demographics, dark blue does not, the last two categories show the net cost for non-western and second generation non immigrants per year in thousands of danish crowns.

Well, Muslims have an oversensitivity factor of 3.50 but I'm still working out the other calculations.

From the other thread:

You've made some claims and have singularly failed to back any of them up as forum rules say you should.

Post the sources of your graphics.


We are still waiting for you to meet your promise to

No, this time we start with you backing up you sweeping claims that without immigration we would have starving pensioners.

The source is the same as was linked to multiple times in this very thread when discussing crime and immigration, this was a graphic I saved back then. Do you really honestly doubt the source?

Jalfrezi, you called this author a hypocrite. As I said, I don't see any reason to question his conclusions based on his being an Iranian immigrant to Sweden.

If you posted it before you'll have no trouble finding it again.

Forum rules state that if you don't cite your source when asked to, you cannot make those claims again.

Are you really following this properly?

I didn't say the author's conclusions were valid or invalid (because I have no idea what they are). The reason for that is that Marn, as always, conspicuously failed to provide us with any excerpts from the book whatsoever, as if he believes that simply citing a book's title and promising to provide proper citations at a later date is sufficient.

I did call the author a hypocrite which seems fair to me, and based on that I called him a terrible human being, which also seems fair.

This database.

http://statistikbanken.dk/statbank5a/default.asp?w=2560

Now why don't you tell us how immigrants will save our pensioners? Is this mostly an economic or workforce issue in you mind?

Wait a minute. You think because he's an Iranian immigrant to Sweden, he's a hypocrite for writing that immigration, on average, has an economically negative impact on Sweden? What if it's true?

It seems bad to me to disqualify immigrants from writing about immigration.

Instead of linking me to the page containing the graphic that you keep citing, you've chosen to link me to a government page of links to statistics from their database.

I can't see anything here that resembles a link to your dubious graphic of still unknown parentage:




For the last time before it goes to moderation, please post a link to the page containing the graphic that you used to support your views of immigrants.

If you fail to do this the strong suspicion will be that it's not from a government database site at all but from a source that you don't want to reveal, such as a neo-Nazi site.

It seems bad to me to build straw men, but it's your right to do so and mine to ignore it.

I'm confused Jalfrezi. You said the author is a hypocrite and a bad person, because of what he wrote about immigration. How am I making a straw man argument?

From the Danish ministry of finance

https://www.fm.dk/oekonomi-og-tal/oe..****ige-finanser

pdf on the right side page 10

There is a lot more charts and graphs in that economic study on immigration worth posting here. I will do that just to drive home my point even further.

You're really foundering around now, and all this obvious obfuscation is too late anyway.

If you need a place to host a PDF file to make it accessible here, I can PM you an email address and you can send it to me, and I will put it up...

Marn - You need to clearly* post the source for that graph or move on.

It's a problem for the forum that it's not in english but as you've made the effort to explain what it means it's not going to be disqualified on that basis.

*it's a bit unfair on you but the source of the graph needs to be clear to english speakers.

chezlaw, the source is here, I just made a mistake directly linking the pdf before the edit

Well I linked to the pdf, do you know if pdf files can be translated in some simple manner?


I can translate the pdf text but not the charts by uploading the file here.
https://translate.google.com/?tr=f&hl=en

Yeah I saw. I just thought maybe you only had a local copy. But you've got it now.

Here is a google translate of it, but it mangles the formatting pretty badly. I suppose with some effort one can read the text and match it up to the images in the real document. I don't know of anything better.

Google translate of preface

chezlaw, my source is obviously legit, I am sure that people who don't trust my translation of the few words in those charts can type them into Google translate to check them themselves.

You are just stalking him now.

It's too late? WTF

I'm satisfied with that as a source for the graph.

At last, an actual citation, but there is a problem with your selective use of it.

You posted the 2014 charts to support your view that Muslim immigration is bad for Scandinavia and should be stopped, without any mention of the bolded text which says that thanks to changes the government made the problems are in the past.

Do you dispute this claim?

Do you agree that "it is crucial that we get more immigrants in employment in the future" or do you resent immigrants for taking jobs?