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08-13-2014 , 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
Because something that is complicated isn't being explained to you in a way that you understand doesn't mean there is a vast conspiracy.
As I have stated, and yet to be proved wrong by the simple cut and paste which should be no problem according to coincitards claims, NIST gives no explanation of how the buildings fell. Not an explanation I don't understand- but simply no explanation. You've have unwittingly acknowledged that a few posts back.

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Originally Posted by kerowo
I'll just ask questions that can never be answered!"
If how the buildings fell can never be answered then why are you so confident you know the answer?
08-13-2014 , 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
You suck at analogies. They aren't hand waving, they are saying that the rest of collapse was obvious.
Checkmate. Game set match.

Spoiler:
QED
08-14-2014 , 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken
Checkmate. Game set match.

Spoiler:
QED
http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudi..._wtctowers.cfm

Took all of 3 minutes to find via the google, answers all your questions about the collapse and it really is "readily explained."

Here is the short version since you are incapable of reading:

The floors were rated to be able to support a dynamic load of 6 other stories of the tower. Both towers had more than 6 stories fall on them, almost twice as much at a minimum. So after the collapse was initiated there was so much more moving mass hitting the lower floors that they offered virtually no resistance.
08-14-2014 , 09:34 PM
Yikes.
08-15-2014 , 04:21 AM
Nobody ITT has posted a sequential mechanism AFAIK...
08-15-2014 , 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken
You're going backwards again asshat. You already admitted NIST doesn't explain the collapse. Now you are directing me to NIST website as if you've changed your mind and now claim they do? I've been there before. Nowhere, I submit to you, do they explain the complete collapse of the twin towers.
No, everyone told you that the reason for the rest of the collapse was so ****ing simple they didn't need to spell it out. However, they have fixed that oversight for mouth breathing *******s like you on the FAQ I posted, questions 6 and 12 cover the entire collapse from initiation to completion.

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This is a good example of people just unwilling to believe uncomfortable facts despite their being brought to the point where the truth is simple, clear, and irreducible: NIST does not explain the complete collapse, only the initiation. NIST completely hand waves the part where the top of a building crush's through the intact remainder, despite that being pretty much the point of the inquiry.
What the **** are you talking about? You have presented no facts comfortable or uncomfortable in regards to the collapse of the towers. You have demonstrated that you are functionally retarted which is a fact though. Again, someone saying something you don't understand is "readily explainable" isn't hand waving away, and is now moot because they answer it completely in questions 6 and 12 in the FAQ.

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Why not just accept this? Or say you don't understand. To keep on affirming that something is there when it plainly isn't is just nutty.
Why don't you? Read that FAQ and tell us what "questions" you have left about how "funny" the towers collapse looked. Or are you really not open minded about the collapse and just another ****ing idiot truther who gets his self worth from thinking he's in on a "secret" no one else sees?
08-15-2014 , 10:51 PM
"If you are aware you are autistic, you should be aware that when people yell at you for being aspy, that's your cue to shut the **** up, and not continue to asp it up about how you just don't understand."
08-15-2014 , 11:37 PM
That infamous quote reminded me of the embarrassingly bad autistic detective character on The Bridge.
08-16-2014 , 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken
I actually proved fermats last theorem before Wiles, cause I wrote the theorem and then wrote QED. How does that analogy strike you?
Well, this is pretty much the exact opposite of what's going on. Wiles didn't bother to prove/explain hundreds of known results needed for the proof. Surely NIST isn't required to prove things to your satisfaction just like Wiles wasn't.
08-16-2014 , 03:01 PM
08-18-2014 , 12:27 AM
It's really considerate of deuces to post ITT since it saves us the trouble of having to copy and paste his quotes into it.
08-20-2014 , 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Cerveza69
And I suppose you think there is such a thing as "Soy Milk"....gullible liberal lemming
This is the worst since the infamous "autist" Flyasco. I especially like the incorrect, self-defeating use of quotes, furthering the terrible nature of the post itself.

Last edited by DudeImBetter; 08-20-2014 at 10:51 AM.
08-20-2014 , 10:58 AM
i didn't follow that conversation much, is it just soy milk that's fake? what about almond milk? I only ask because I've made almond milk myself from actual almonds, and i'm curious to find out if they were in fact tiny cows wearing almond disguises
08-20-2014 , 11:09 AM
That's almond juice low key. Almond milk isn't possible because there are no almond tits. Please stop spreading illuminati messages of "almond" milk around this board
08-20-2014 , 11:42 AM
LK clearly in on the faux milk Jedi mind trick that targets moronic liberal marks.
08-20-2014 , 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul D
And if you think that innovation isn't the root cause of growth, you are just plain ignant lol. Like I said in the other thread, energy succeeded technology not the other way around. Unless you wanna make some silly argument about the sun and wind, etc that would be technically right.
lol... epic.
08-20-2014 , 06:56 PM
These posts should be screened for legitimacy.
08-20-2014 , 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggsCasey
lol... epic.
done
08-21-2014 , 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by dessin d'enfant
Well, this is pretty much the exact opposite of what's going on. Wiles didn't bother to prove/explain hundreds of known results needed for the proof. Surely NIST isn't required to prove things to your satisfaction just like Wiles wasn't.
Known results have nothing to do with explaining a novel event such as this. This was a crime, not a commission of mathematical abstraction. And the known results Wiles used were proven. It's not as though NIST pointed to some known mechanism- they pointed to NOTHING.

NIST is not required to prove things to my satisfaction, obviously. But I believe they were paid to, if not prove, at least offer an explanation. They did not.

NIST did NOT offer ANY explanation as to how the twin towers actually fell. NIST hand waved the actual collapse, and not just hand waved as in offer some paltry explanation. They offered no explanation whatsoever.

It's just as though you people are members of a fing cult with your implacable faith that NIST has explained anything. Where?
08-21-2014 , 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudi..._wtctowers.cfm

Took all of 3 minutes to find via the google, answers all your questions about the collapse and it really is "readily explained."

Here is the short version since you are incapable of reading:

The floors were rated to be able to support a dynamic load of 6 other stories of the tower. Both towers had more than 6 stories fall on them, almost twice as much at a minimum. So after the collapse was initiated there was so much more moving mass hitting the lower floors that they offered virtually no resistance.
kerowo, this is you paraphrasing what you imagine you read and passing it off like a quote. That formulation is not from the report or the FAQ which you keep referencing. Why would you go to such lengths when NIST was commissioned to do the report? Why can't you simply quote what NIST says?
08-21-2014 , 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken
kerowo, this is you paraphrasing what you imagine you read and passing it off like a quote. That formulation is not from the report or the FAQ which you keep referencing. Why would you go to such lengths when NIST was commissioned to do the report? Why can't you simply quote what NIST says?
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6. What caused the collapses of WTC 1 and WTC 2?

Based on its comprehensive investigation, NIST concluded that the WTC towers collapsed because: (1) the impact of the planes severed and damaged support columns, dislodged fireproofing insulation coating the steel floor trusses and steel columns, and widely dispersed jet fuel over multiple floors; and (2) the subsequent unusually large number of jet-fuel ignited multi-floor fires (which reached temperatures as high as 1,000 degrees Celsius, or 1,800 degrees Fahrenheit) significantly weakened the floors and columns with dislodged fireproofing to the point where floors sagged and pulled inward on the perimeter columns. This led to the inward bowing of the perimeter columns and failure of the south face of WTC 1 and the east face of WTC 2, initiating the collapse of each of the towers. Both photographic and video evidence—as well as accounts from the New York City Police Department aviation unit during a half-hour period prior to collapse—support this sequence for each tower.

12. Was there enough gravitational energy present in the WTC towers to cause the collapse of the intact floors below the impact floors? Why weren’t the collapses of WTC 1 and WTC 2 arrested by the intact structure below the floors where columns first began to buckle?

Yes, there was more than enough gravitational load to cause the collapse of the floors below the level of collapse initiation in both WTC towers. The vertical capacity of the connections supporting an intact floor below the level of collapse was adequate to carry the load of 11 additional floors if the load was applied gradually and 6 additional floors if the load was applied suddenly (as was the case). Since the number of floors above the approximate floor of collapse initiation exceeded six in each WTC tower (12 floors in WTC 1 and 29 floors in WTC 2), the floors below the level of collapse initiation were unable to resist the suddenly applied gravitational load from the upper floors of the buildings.
Consider a typical floor immediately below the level of collapse initiation and conservatively assume that the floor is still supported on all columns (i.e., the columns below the intact floor did not buckle or peel off due to the failure of the columns above). Consider further the truss seat connections between the primary floor trusses and the exterior wall columns or core columns. The individual connection capacities ranged from 94,000 pounds to 395,000 pounds, with a total vertical load capacity for the connections on a typical floor of 29,000,000 pounds (see Section 5.2.4 of NIST NCSTAR 1-6C). The total floor area outside the core was approximately 31,000 square feet, and the average load on a floor under service conditions on Sept. 11, 2001, was 80 pounds per square foot. Thus, the total vertical load on a floor outside the core can be estimated by multiplying the floor area (31,000 square feet) by the gravitational load (80 pounds per square foot), which yields 2,500,000 pounds (this is a conservative load estimate since it ignores the weight contribution of the heavier mechanical floors at the top of each WTC tower). By dividing the total vertical connection capacity (29,000,000 pounds) of a floor by the total vertical load applied to the connections (2,500,000 pounds), the number of floors that can be supported by an intact floor is calculated to be a total of 12 floors or 11 additional floors.
This simplified and conservative analysis indicates that the floor connections could have carried only a maximum of about 11 additional floors if the load from these floors were applied statically. Even this number is (conservatively) high, since the load from above the collapsing floor is being applied suddenly. Since the dynamic amplification factor for a suddenly applied load is 2, an intact floor below the level of collapse initiation could not have supported more than six floors. Since the number of floors above the level where the collapse initiated exceeded six for both towers (12 for WTC 1 and 29 for WTC 2), neither tower could have arrested the progression of collapse once collapse initiated. In reality, the highest intact floor was about three (WTC 2) to six (WTC 1) floors below the level of collapse initiation. Thus, more than the 12 to 29 floors reported above actually loaded the intact floor suddenly.
Did you really think I would link to a source and then lie about what it says? That's the best you can come up with after a week? Whether you accept their explanation or not will you at least shut the **** up with the whole
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NIST did NOT offer ANY explanation as to how the twin towers actually fell. NIST hand waved the actual collapse, and not just hand waved as in offer some paltry explanation. They offered no explanation whatsoever.
bull**** you've been spouting.
08-21-2014 , 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
No, everyone told you that the reason for the rest of the collapse was so ****ing simple they didn't need to spell it out. However, they have fixed that oversight for mouth breathing *******s like you on the FAQ I posted, questions 6 and 12 cover the entire collapse from initiation to completion.
No, it doesn't. And if it did you would have posted the quote. And why go to a FAQ anyway? There is a formal report. I don't believe (although there might have been developments on this) that the report has not been peer reviewed. So there is that.


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Originally Posted by kerowo
What the **** are you talking about? You have presented no facts comfortable or uncomfortable in regards to the collapse of the towers. You have demonstrated that you are functionally retarted which is a fact though. Again, someone saying something you don't understand is "readily explainable" isn't hand waving away, and is now moot because they answer it completely in questions 6 and 12 in the FAQ.
The uncomfortable fact we are talking about is the NIST report's complete omission of any explanation as to how the towers actually fell. It's not that I don't understand the explanation. It's that there is no explanation. I assume it is uncomfortable to you because you are in full denial of this reality which is available for simple inspection. You keep pointing to things which don't say what you claim, refuse to copy and paste, and make up things and try to pass it off as quoting the ghost explanation.


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Originally Posted by kerowo
Why don't you? Read that FAQ and tell us what "questions" you have left about how "funny" the towers collapse looked. Or are you really not open minded about the collapse and just another ****ing idiot truther who gets his self worth from thinking he's in on a "secret" no one else sees?
Why would I feel special when most of the world agrees with me in at least questioning the government sponsored explanation? In this particular sub-topic, you are the one who is seeing things that aren't there. You didn't know the explanation wasn't there. You never read the report. You took it on faith. Now that you have been challenged to verify your assumptions you are going into twists to keep your misplaced faith. What age did you stop believing in Santa Claus? 15? Or let me guess: Santa Claus is real too.
08-21-2014 , 02:34 AM
lol, you aren't even reading the posts are you? You're pathetic.
08-21-2014 , 03:04 AM
The "paraphrasing" was contained in your quote which I referenced. You made up your own formulation out of desperation because you just can't face the facts.
08-21-2014 , 03:44 AM
The response to question 6 summarizes this entire dynamic: NIST is charged with explaining, produces a report that says nothing about the key sequence, are asked again, then point to the initiation which they say they explain (as it turns out there are major challenges to the measurement's even in the initiation sequence but since the failure to even acknowledge hand waving as such portends that such a discussion is beyond the limits here). There is no language pertaining to the actual collapse phase in the response to question 6 which, again, is the FAQ and NOT the report. So even when you goal shift to the FAQ and ignore the actual NIST report, you still lose. Are you that illiterate or are you just such a true believer that nothing can shake your faith?

Question 12 is about the amount of gravitational energy. There is very vague exposition on why the conditions for collapse existed (won't be too critical on this since it's a FAQ and not the actual report) but nowhere is there a MECHANISM, which is what you need for an explanation. And, again, the is a FAQ which is not meant stand up to scientific inquiry, only casual, results oriented questions.

Any actual detailed explanation of the mechanism of collapse would necessarily be in the report itself, not the FAQ. But still, it isn't in the FAQ either.

      
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