yep, they're called democrats.

yep, one side just happens to be consistently wrong about almost everything

you underestimate the power of social issues. for the working class conservative, this trumps all.

they're always going to believe that.

what? working class conservatives aren't the laughing stock of the political world?

probably didn't see too many jews out there stumping for hilter.

that analogy might seem extreme but it's actually accurate. conservatives/fascists have waged 'genocide' on the working class of this country. not to say corporatist democrats like bill clinton haven't done the same.

chezlaw should understand this stuff.

chez, what happens in your country when the conservative party is in power instead the labor party?

obv suicides spike. the same thing happens in our country. i'd consider that a form of genocide.

if our country was india when the brits were ruling it, then working class conservatives are no different from the sikhs.

Wrong, yet again.

Do you even anes?

oh... so they're intentionally voting for stagnated wages and outsourcing of jobs?

pretty sure they're motivated by religion, gays, guns, fear of minorities, etc. perhaps i'm wrong about that counting as 'social issues'.

I genuinely can't tell if you're serious or not.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2263690.stm

of course i'm serious. of course i realise i'm getting a little wild with the whole hitler thing. but it was a point that had to be made.

It's a dubious conclusion, the conservatives might argue they are always having to clean up the economic mess left by labour and it's the mess that causes the additional suicides (assuming that bit is true).

but more dubious is the idea that that anything much follows from the suicide statistics. Being a worker doesn't mean not believing in control of public spending orbelieving in the undeserving poor, nuclear weapons, being anti-Europe or anti-drugs etc etc. These things become big issues from time to time, (not necessarily now).

controlling public spending by allowing the elites to still plunder while cutting services to poor and middle class people is dog**** and completely transparent.

conservatives in this country aren't fiscally responsible. they use that as a dog-whistle to appeal to simpleton's.

ok dip****. why do working class people vote republican?

it's obvious, they're stupid and they buy into wedge issues.

what are wedge issues meant to do?

obviously meant to divide us so we can be conquered.

wake the **** up kid. one of us is stupid and it's certainly not me.

You were talking about the UK at that point, remember our conservatives are probably somewhere to the left of your democrats.

mad liberals itt.

4 sho. i'm no expert on the finer points of your political/class system.

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Except they don't care about wedge issues or cast votes based on them like how you think they do. You're flat out wrong here and unwilling to educate yourself past watching a youtubes. You're a liberal Proph.

Something I agree with you on

i read everything. Hartmann is just one information source (and yes, he's largely opinion based)

then what are they motivated by? you keep ducking that question.

"don't care about wedge issues"

you can't be taken seriously after that statement. you're ****ing delusional.

don't care about wedge issues, don't care about economic issues, WTF do they care about?

what? dem muslims? isn't that another in a long list of wedge/scare issues?

you're out of your mind low key.

"no, dey just good people in favor of fiscal conservatism." "in no way motivated by fear/hate/bigotry."

Here ya go, boss.

An actual study. This is the kind of thing adults read when they want to learn stuff, as opposed to the opinions of talking heads.

i vote conservative in Canada because I prefer the way the handle the economy. dont want our national debt to go full obama which you know will happen just by hearing canadian leftist platform. If the price of this is hearing an occasional christian bigot talk, well I accept it

And let's be real, we really needed those new cool looking fighter jets

You were right earlier when you mentioned something about conventional wisdom being an idiot.

Any working class voter who is voting on the basis of economic issues, yet siding with the party that has perpetuated ruin of the empire for decades (based solely on greed) is, without a doubt, an idiot.

LOL.

pretty funny you rely on some princeton intellectual to tell you which way the wind blows.

read your 25 pages of intellectual dog-**** that basically says what i've been saying for years. democrats need to regain their populist roots (which warren and bernie are trying to do).

then you've got this contradictory dog-****:
what is this even saying? that the only reason they vote republican is because they've been convinced (by the fascists in the media) that they are better suited to run the economy when anyone with half a brain knows they aren't.

when this guy says they are attaching less weight to social issues it's impossible to accept. i talk with these people, i'm among them, i know more than some princeton schmuck about this particular phenomena. i don't give a **** what his boring ass data says.

you present this guys study as though its fact. it's just his opinion, and it's 8 ****ing years old.

political landscape has shifted hugely in the following years, no? just the impact of C.U. makes this study irrelevant.

next time do better than, i'm sure he's wrong let me scour the internet for something that backs up my views and try attacking my words.

we all know if you ask a voter the most important issues, they'll nearly all say the economy. so if they've been fooled about that it just means that propaganda and advertising works on dumb people.

that's where it starts bro. next thing you know, you're full-blown 'Murica'.

no wonder ikes breaks this low keys balls so furiously. ****ing guy says, "here's some aggressive lib who writes like ****. he must be stupid, thus wrong. i'm gonna scour the web to find some BS that says he's wrong."

if you would'a suffered through that BS yourself, you would'a noticed that any half-wit could poke holes in his study. add in the fact that its' 9 years old and it really speaks to low keys desperation in this spot.

the day i let some political scientist tell me what's what is the day completely check the **** out.

question **** low key. don't be so eager to just accept everything.