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Originally Posted by juan valdez
if you can't measure where the bias exists how can you possibly create laws to adjust for it? you cant just say sexism exists, im going to fix it. you need to actually identify it and measure it.
Actully you dont have to measure it but it does help to have indirect metrics like the gender pay gap which is partly why I think it's a very good idea.
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that is absolutely absurd. you cant even come within a light year to describe all the factors involved in determining someones worth to an organization specifically, or the workforce in general. its absolutely ******ed to look at women as a group. women make up half the population and they vary wildly on an individual basis.
It's precisely because they are such a large group that the averages are meaningful
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i asked you the consequence of this bias (that you cant measure) and in your sea of bias you failed to even attempt to discover what will happen.
What we have a fair idea about is that if we keep putting on pressure to reduce inequality then inequality will reduce - which is all what matters.
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equal outcomes is absolutely ******ed. do you really think everyone is equal? companies employ people to be productive, thats what they care about. if a company is providing something people don't want or they are providing something people do want in an inefficient manner, it dies. it really is that simple. how can you possibly demand equality if you cant even come within a light year of calculating it?
More equal outcomes is entirely possible and I don't care if companies don't care about it. There's loads of measures of inequality.
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here is the truth about bias. it exists in far more ways than you seem to even comprehend and it can never be fixed. a more accurate statement would be biases exist everywhere and you are a perfect example of someone who is badly biased. in a world of infinite bias, you are focused on gender. and in the job market, you are biased towards think about companies that penalize women through bias vs the fact they are penalizing themselves through bias. the fact that biases exist in a free market means you can actually exploit them equally to being oppressed by them in many ways. to help you understand how completely stupid the concept of "equality" is and then filtering out men vs women i will make a few of almost infinite number of issues that create "inequality" within the context of just being a women
I'm not sure why you think it exists in more ways than I think. I think cognitive bias impacts on everything we perceive - both conscious and unconscious.
Here we are focusing on gender bias because that's the topic.
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-IQ probably the greatest injustice we have in the west. best predictor of "success". you cant fix this, its just unfair
I'll just pick this from you because there seems to be a miscommunication. IQ difference is real but we as a society get a huge say in how that translates into difference in wealth. That though is is nothing to do with bias or prejudice.
We may simply disagree. I'm against huge wealth disparity in society - I'd argue that on the grounds of a) I simply don't want society to be like that and b) it's incompatible with a well functioning democratic system.
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this is just the tip of the iceberg. i hope you can begin to the see world is not fair.
[I've skipped some because your post covers too much ground]. I've no idea what make you think that I think the world is fair.
I do want to see it more fair and that's a large part of what politics is about.