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02-21-2017 , 03:35 PM
This free speech angle is confusing. Are there waves of Milo supporters saying that he doesn't have the right to say what he said? He clearly does.

Cpac had the right to disinvite him, other organizations have the right to have him speak, people have the right to protest any of those decisions. Nothing has changed on the free speech front.
02-21-2017 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by adios
You are wrong about wil's intent he was countering a citing of a LOL okcupid bogus study reaching a ridiculous conclusion by citing another LOL evangelical based bogus study reaching a ridiculous conclusion. Showing how it is obvious that bogus studies can reach any conclusion they want to. Anyone who reads wil's posts knows that at the very least he has little use for religion and its most zealous followers. It should be obvious that he isn't using a study from hard core religious groups to support a position he has. Reading a thread in the other forum people want him banned for this. You folks are LOLtastic in your zeal to validate your emotions in lieu of using a bare minimum amount of critical thinking.

Pretty sure wil is a LOT better poker player than many of his critics.
Yeah, no. Wil wasn't joking at all. He quoted a far-right religious fundamentalist hate-site in all seriousness to 'prove' that all gay men are as promiscuous as those who engaged in the San Francisco bathhouse culture in the 1970s. He insisted that this is an immutable law of nature by claiming that all his gay friends have had at least 1000 partners each and arguing that because gay men aren't held back by picky temperamental females they are all apocalyptically mindbendingly promiscuous at all times and in all places and AIDS hasn't made any difference to that at all so his pet 1978 study isn't in the least out of date.

He also claimed that paedophilia is totally OK and paedophilia rocks because the kids are just asking for it and when he was 14 he wanted sex with anyone up to age 50 and that was totally his fault so paedophiles are never to blame for their actions. According to wil, paedophilia rocks and is totally OK, because the kids are asking for it.
02-21-2017 , 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
I'm not disputing that the publisher is sometimes the copyright owner. I'm saying it is irrelevant. A book contract has several steps. The contract is signed. The manuscript is delivered and accepted or rejected. The book is published. Here we are at step 1. The contract is signed, the book hasn't been delivered, let alone accepted. So, at this stage, where the book hasn't even been delivered, you actually think that the publisher can declare that they are ending their relationship with Milo and somehow keep him from publishing the book elsewhere? That's sheer lunacy, it's clearly not how things work.
Depends entirely on the contract.
02-21-2017 , 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Mayo
Man, this thread delivers!

Underrated post was when wil said "When I was 14, I would have had sex with any woman under 50yo" and then, completely unbidden, went on to explain that the cap at 50 was arbitrary and was included just so nobody thought that pubescent wil was into old women.
Lol. The irony is the ageist label has followed wil ever since.

Ps Milo resigned
02-21-2017 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMadcap
This free speech angle is confusing. Are there waves of Milo supporters saying that he doesn't have the right to say what he said? He clearly does.

Cpac had the right to disinvite him, other organizations have the right to have him speak, people have the right to protest any of those decisions. Nothing has changed on the free speech front.
People can't understand how voter ID laws are intended to suppress votes no matter how clearly you lay it all out for them. People who desperately need Obamacare can't understand how voting for Trump might jeopardize that. Poor people rail against inheritance tax - not fair!

I will never expect those same people to understand the nuances of free speech.
02-21-2017 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Right - so when you were 14, Mayo was like 3. That's what I was getting at. Gross.
If someone starts a gofundme for Mayo I will kick in. Sorry that you had to experience that Mayo
02-21-2017 , 04:06 PM
I kinda wanted Milo to stay on and be a stain on Breitbart going forward. This and the new Trump playing nicey nicey (stepping over his bar now that he's set it an inch high) makes me nervous. Like in that article about Zweig's memoir - how the West gushed all over Hitler every time he mentioned the word peace in a speech.
02-21-2017 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
Depends entirely on the contract.
If a work hasn't been completed then how does the publishing company know if Milo publishes "the book" with someone else? He could just send them pages of gibberish and that's the book.

But then I'd be shocked if Milo's contract didn't give him full rights upon a cancellation. In fact, I assume that would be the default and the publishers would have to explicitly state that they retained the rights in the contract.
02-21-2017 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMadcap
This free speech angle is confusing. Are there waves of Milo supporters saying that he doesn't have the right to say what he said? He clearly does.

Cpac had the right to disinvite him, other organizations have the right to have him speak, people have the right to protest any of those decisions. Nothing has changed on the free speech front.
And so the role reversal takes shape.
02-21-2017 , 04:53 PM
lol wil still not banned and talking about pedophilia

Unbelievable
02-21-2017 , 05:03 PM
It's not pedophilia because he's talking from the POV of his 14-year-old horny self. Get over it snowflake.
02-21-2017 , 05:07 PM
If chez can't bring himself to disciplining him properly, wil should have his undertitle changed to something pertinent to this episode.
02-21-2017 , 05:13 PM
Isn't it possible that trying to convince yourself that abuse that happened to you as a child is no big deal sort of a classic coping mechanism? Some people don't want to think of themselves as victims or want to face repressed trauma and such.

I mean hell I don't know if ya'll watch the tv show It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia but there's a whole running gag in the show about how as a child Dennis was raped by some creepy old librarian lady and yet he tries to remember it as him conquering an older woman.

Regardless, Milo's comments to me come across way more as him doing mental gymnastics to deal with his own abuse rather than somehow actually excusing pedo behavior.
02-21-2017 , 05:14 PM
Chez is happy wil was incredibly homophobic and is in favour of pedastry. We've given him like 20 chances to warn will and gotten a shrug.

Cotton, the point of IASIP us that the cast are terrible people that should have been in jail ala the ending of Seinfeld 10 seasons ago. Not the best comparison to make! If this were the first time he'd done something like this you might have a point. But he has a nearly decade long history of doxxing minors, being on 7 and 8chan extensively, which are basically just sites for child pornography...
02-21-2017 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
Ps Milo resigned
Awww darn!!! Does that mean we arent gonna see..

Markksman
Suzzer99
Heehaww
ogallalabobv
EADGBE
Paul D
samsonh
TimmayB
einbert
dereds
Mayo
Lord_Crispen
Victor
Deuces McKracken
Namath12
aoFrantic
Jbrochu
Jules22
Lawnmower Man
SuperUberBob
prana
thefinchster22

...until the next "Gotcha, You Dirty Alt-Rights" world stopping event?

Do you even see your psycho you psychos?

Jesus Mary & Joseph, even our resident PU Whiney Wench Wackjob kerolol backed off early recognizing the psycho

LOL @ SJW psycho nerds


Its a crying shame that Cotton Hills post is going to fall on def ears

Truly pathetic this world I live

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02-21-2017 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
People can't understand how voter ID laws are intended to suppress votes no matter how clearly you lay it all out for them. People who desperately need Obamacare can't understand how voting for Trump might jeopardize that. Poor people rail against inheritance tax - not fair!

I will never expect those same people to understand the nuances of free speech.
Yeah, there are a lot of dumb republicans. But swap out the word republican with any other mainstream ideology and the sentence will be just as true. There are just a lot of dumb people.

Frankly, I don't think many people on either side understand the nuances of free speech but that doesn't mean you get to attack them for things they haven't said or done yet.
02-21-2017 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Bladesman87
And so the role reversal takes shape.
No. What he said was still gross.
02-21-2017 , 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Cotton Hill
Isn't it possible that trying to convince yourself that abuse that happened to you as a child is no big deal sort of a classic coping mechanism? Some people don't want to think of themselves as victims or want to face repressed trauma and such.

I mean hell I don't know if ya'll watch the tv show It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia but there's a whole running gag in the show about how as a child Dennis was raped by some creepy old librarian lady and yet he tries to remember it as him conquering an older woman.

Regardless, Milo's comments to me come across way more as him doing mental gymnastics to deal with his own abuse rather than somehow actually excusing pedo behavior.
That is how child abuse is handed down the generations. The person mentally justifies and normalises (and fetishises) what was done to them, and then uses it as further justification for doing the same to others in turn. That is the motor. That is how it works.
02-21-2017 , 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
It's almost as if the deplorable group here never cared about free speech just wanted someone to piss off liberals.
Wrong. It's always been about free speech.

Pissing off liberals is just an added bonus.
02-21-2017 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
If someone starts a gofundme for Mayo I will kick in. Sorry that you had to experience that Mayo
I will say or do whatever is necessary for you guys to send me money.

It's what Milo would have wanted.
02-21-2017 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
First, wake up to the fact that every time you make a few posts on a controversial subject, most of P and P8.8 erupt in laughter at you; and now you're awake, start trying to work out why that is.
Lol @ what the main forum thinks. The majority of them are colossal idiots.
02-21-2017 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
Wrong. It's always been about free speech...
So, if CPAC is always about free speech, why did they 'deplatform' M.Yiannopoulos?
02-21-2017 , 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
Wrong. It's always been about free speech.

Pissing off liberals is just an added bonus.
Then why aren't you upset he can't speak at cpac and his book deal got canceled?

Will, you think you're a genius but used a radical Christian site and a dating blog owned by a 23 year old as your "sources." You have tripled down on endorsing pedastry and relationships between children and adults as old as 60. You think a relationship between a 13 year old and a 60 year old is ok because it apparently would have made you happy as a child. This is ****ed up.
02-21-2017 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Wil, you're an adult who frequently posts racist, sexist, homophobic rhetoric online then attacks people who disagree with you.
I'm an adult, yes. I do not post racist or sexist or homophobic rhetoric. I speak honestly about topics, if you choose to take them as racist or sexist, it's on you. You don't get to dictate my opinions. Sorry, that's how life works.

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You bring your children into online arguments when you get riled up by frequently being shown to be wrong.
I'm frequently NOT shown that I'm wrong. In fact, I'm right about almost every single topic I speak about - because I speak about topics I am mostly familiar with. Again, I invite you to have a long, deep conversation with your non-existent gay male friends about what we spoke about. Most will agree with me, not you. I guarantee it.

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You don't have the mental capacity to study sources, and since we have been on this topic have posted sources from a radical Christian site, a dating blog owned by a 23 year old and the huffpo blog section.
I've explicitly explained why I posted what I did, it was to discredit what you posted. It's idiocy to think an OKCUPID online poll is a good way to derive how a small group of people act. It's not scientific. It's the same sort of idiocy that made the "25% of women are sexually assaulted at college" a thing. It's not true, it's not scientific. It's complete idiocy, and if people who actually mattered, like scientists and psychologists actually used data in that manner they'd be laughed at.

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I have refuted with 3 academic studies and the okcupid one because it has over 3.2 million data points. Now, perhaps you could start researching things again
Again, I addressed this, specifically. There is no really good data when it comes to this, because there is a political agenda behind it. Make no mistake, that agenda MEANS SOMETHING.

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Go past the first hit on Google this time. Don't have the cognitive bias of only repost things that agree with your world view despite the sources being very poor. You know, learn something.
I don't use data to support my world view. I look at data for what it is and see past the crap in it. You and your people bend over backwards to make everything fit into your world view, not mine. I take data for what it is, I don't need to manipulate it.

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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Did we ever determine how much wil made from the debacle with [forgetting poster name]?
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Originally Posted by dereds
LetsGambool where wil lost the I earn more than you bet anyway cos he's a ****ing idiot and then tried to angle the **** out of it. 1k I think
I think both of you should PM LetsGambool and ask him what the scoreboard is. I don't want to brag, but I'm in the positive column. Go ahead, PM him.

And remember : you two brought this subject up, not me.
02-21-2017 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466




I don't use data to support my world view. .
If there was anything Wil has ever said that every person alive would respond with "no ****" it's this sentence.

Wil, first you thought the OKCupid study was just on the LGBT community. Next, in your most recent post you refer to it as a "poll." How do you keep being so uninformed about something you're so vehemently against? It was a study of an entire userbase, of over 3 million users. The data is incredibly useful. Please, show the slightest actual facts that anyone has "manipulated" any data. Please. You just made that claim. Back it the **** up.

      
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