I agree. Let me back away from the Brandenburg claim, and try a different tack. I didn't mean that I thought she was guilty of incitement, I just thought there might be analogy. But the basic idea that I have is that there exist some circumstances under which an act of speech is directly and causally connected to a harmful outcome that the state has a legitimate interest in regulating, and that in some of those circumstances the state therefore has a legitimate basis to restrict those speech acts. Brandenburg hinges on the legality of the action being incited, but I was focused on the idea of causing direct harm to someone.

I did a little more reading and I'm not sure whether this ruling is consistent with current law. It does appear to necessitate some extension of Brandenburg. It may be that speech that causes harm is still protected. I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not trying to argue the legal merits of the decision. I just think some free speech restriction in cases where someones words directly and predictably cause harm to another person could make sense, although I agree it's a bit of a slippery slope.

I think it's explicitly necessary to a finding of involuntary manslaughter that the "wanton and reckless" behavior caused someone's death. It's in the statue. A standard unlikely to be met with internet posting. That language in the statute doesn't apply outside those circumstances.

You may be right, I just think it's difficult and it seems to me that there could exist some sets of circumstances where I wouldn't find a free speech defense persuasive.

The fact that he was crazy, and the fact that he was allowed to have a gun, and the fact that he committed suicide-by-cop in the classic manner of crazy gunmen, probably has rather more to do with it.

You are deliberately stating something you know to be untrue. There's a word for that, which may come to me in a minute.

Rubin called gamergate "magical." Gamergate started with a complete lie about Zoe Quinn and was marked by direct threats meant to suppress speech. And Rubin whines about the "regressive left." What an idiot.

I would agree that both recent cases of Bernie supporters murdering/attempting to murder people are down to unhinged people deeply confused by our current political environment, and both extremes have tried to pin that violence on the other's bad ideas, somewhat successfully.

Hope is the word you're reaching for (I hope).

Okay?

No, I'm not. I think it is true that the posters here do not support assassination of their domestic political opponents. I don't mean this as an abstract point about whether people believe that assassination is sometimes justified. I mean, the people that write about their political views on the P7 forum, that many of them regard politicians in opposing parties as domestic political opponents. I don't think these posters support murdering those politicians. Rather, they believe in working through peaceful cultural, legal, or political methods to achieve change (or stasis). Given the attempted murder of some Congresspeople, I don't mind reiterating that point.

Who's Afraid of Free Speech

This article touches on a lot of the arguments from this thread, I think. I thought it was pretty good.

pretty one sided article.

not only the politcal correct guys dislike free speech, also the right-wing doesnt like every topic being openly discussed.

In fact, those guys calling lefitst 'special snowflake' or something are usually the first that are deeply insulted if they hear anything they dont like.

also as i mentioned befor speech regulation is as old as civilisation.

edit: there is also a leftist critic by zizek on political correctness. if you want intelligent critic of pc listen to him.

Bwahahah of ****ing course it's not. You dudes need to project less. I can't believe I'm saying this but it's actually getting boring. It used to be fun to spot the projection but now it's 9/10 things you people spew.

intelligent right-wingers are a rare kind to say the least.

Also, can we please stop acting like Antifa, and BLM I suppose but the accusations against them are too ridiculous to even dignify, is The Doom Which Was Foretold or some such thing.

I grew up in West Englewood, Chicago, which was right next to Marquette Park, where INCAR and the SHARPs runnoft the Klan in the 80s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern...Against_Racism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinhe...cial_Prejudice

Both of those groups pretty much retired because HOLY **** ITS THE 20TH CENTURY WHY ARE PEOPLE HAVING WHITE SUPREMACY RALLIES but I'm sure they could lace up again if properly motivated. If you think Antifa is running wild, baby, you ain't seen nothing yet.

I posted this before in a different context and while it wasn't nearly the most violent example, it definitely has the biggest wow-factor.

http://articles.latimes.com/1986-06-...1_ku-klux-klan

That was INCAR. I mean, these alt-snowflakes are crying about teenagers in bandannas but there are people out here ready to engage in guerrilla warfare on city streets.

obv an actual communist like you have thinks all republicans are evil doesn't think far left is slander

idk why you think thats projection lol

you agree with these violent communist organizations I suppose?

hey man antifa isn't as bad as these other leftist organizations of the 80s! great argument rofl

Agree with what? That the Klan sucks? Guilty as charged.

You're not savvy enough to play coy. Remember that as you make your next post responding to this.

are you suggesting I'm pro Klan? lol

do you support Incar? Are you one of those the enemy of my enemy is my friend or are you an actual card carrying communist?

No, unless 'pro Klan' has some alternate definition meaning 'illiterate', then maybe.

I mean, I just advised you to not get clever and keep it simple.


Your ninja edit btw is lol and INCAR doesn't exist anymore. This is going off the rails quickly, as I suspected it might. And I'm 98% sure you didn't click on the 2nd link about the SHARPs.

Here, I once posted this, it might help:

Oops, didn't notice this:

It's projection because some of us so cowardly that we hide our views and pretend that 1, those views are 'centrist' and 2, 'centrist' views are always the best.

For example, I'm actually NOT a communist, card-carrying or otherwise, but, I don't give a ****, I'm not offended by you saying that and I can even see why you'd make that educated guess!

Honestly, being a deplorable must be ****ing taxing. Wouldn't it be so much easier to change your minds a little and be right about some things? Not everything, just some things.

Neither "far right" nor "far left" is slander. Like I said, YOU are part of the far right. If you think that's an insult, then stop throwing around stupid terms like "cuck."

The whole reason you and Rubin and others want to treat "far right" as a slander is because you want to pretend that someone has to have at least three swastikas tattoos to be legally labeled "far right." Sorry, but your terrible dangerous views are never going to be normalized.

File as many lawsuits as you like.

Okay to pretty good, yeah.

Good start in directions like chilling effect.

Free speech...

http://thefifthcolumnnews.com/2017/0...macist-groups/

I'm not hiding my views, I just don't like far right/far left because it implies ideological possession which I am not apart of and is a really bad thing. Some on this forum think everything democrat=good, everything republican= evil, thats partisanship to the extreme which is not a sign of clear thinking at all.

lol I've only been called far right by you delusional leftists on 2p2

because I use the word cuck I'm far right? lol
because I like borders, guns and don't like socialism I'm far right?
Just because you guys are ideologically possessed with leftistism doesn't make someone who disagrees with you far right

saying the word ****** deserves a gun shot to the head? thats the kind've extremism I'm talking about.

you support this violent communistic group of the past just because they hate a common enemy of yours. Don't you think you are projecting this label of deplorable?

Hey at least right wing trigglypuff is pretty hot while left wing trigglypuff is a land whale

don't you see now how stupid these anti free speech moralists are?

You thinking it's because he "said the word ******" kinda says it all.

Also, who said anything about a gunshot to the head? Like, wtf are even talking about?

As to the rest, that's all gibberish.


p.s. Honestly Bitchibee I'm not even sure what made me think to give you another chance.