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05-02-2017 , 10:17 PM
On left-wing snowflakes needing safe spaces to shut down others' free speech:



(thanks to suzzer who posted this in alpha)
05-02-2017 , 11:40 PM
The right does not have a long history of shutting down comics. Got to be fake news they are strong like bulls and would not do that.
05-02-2017 , 11:41 PM
Good book on empathy in animals.

http://www.emory.edu/LIVING_LINKS/empathy/
05-03-2017 , 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
We seem to have departed far from the topic but it's actually true of all other humans as well. Or if not, it's a very complex philosophical argument that probably involves zombies.
True, everyone but me is a p-zombie. But at least for people with language skills we can gain a lot more insight and do comprehensive testing. Not so for animals.
05-03-2017 , 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by batair
The right does not have a long history of shutting down comics. Got to be fake news they are strong like bulls and would not do that.
Thats the sad thing for me. The left has always been the voice of reason in my lifetime and it was the right or at least elements of it that would shut down free speech and in general act like puritans.

And now we have this authoritarian element of the left that wants to shut down people expressing their opinions and trying to wrap university students up in cotton wool and treating them like weak fragile individuals. And whats worse it that we have more moderate people on the left making excuses for them and encouraging them.

What will happen is that they will alienate people and drive more people towards the both the moderate right and the far right which is pretty worrying.
05-03-2017 , 01:40 PM
Lying to the Senate in confirmation hearings? No big deal.

Laugh at Jeff Sessions' lies? You could get a year in prison.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/03/u...?smid=tw-share
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A jury on Wednesday convicted a Virginia woman who was charged with disrupting the confirmation hearing of Jeff Sessions as attorney general after she laughed during the proceeding.

The woman, Desiree A. Fairooz, an activist with the group Code Pink, was found guilty of the two charges she faced: disorderly conduct and parading or demonstrating on Capitol grounds. The jury also convicted two other activists in the group she was with, Tighe Barry and Lenny Bianchi, who were dressed as Ku Klux Klan members with white hoods and robes and stood up before the Jan. 10 hearing started.

The verdicts were returned shortly after noon Wednesday. A two-day trial in United States Superior Court in Washington ended on Tuesday. All three face up to 12 months in prison.
05-03-2017 , 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Lying to the Senate in confirmation hearings? No big deal.

Laugh at Jeff Sessions' lies? You could get a year in prison.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/03/u...?smid=tw-share
I think this is fantastic. Lock them all up.
05-03-2017 , 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Good book on empathy in animals.

http://www.emory.edu/LIVING_LINKS/empathy/
Lmfbo
05-03-2017 , 02:48 PM
That jury was pretty brain-dead to deem a laugh as disorderly conduct. Her conduct on the way out was probably criminal, though.

But, as always, the real threat is liberals.
05-03-2017 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Lying to the Senate in confirmation hearings? No big deal.

Laugh at Jeff Sessions' lies? You could get a year in prison.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/03/u...?smid=tw-share
Maybe she'll think better of hanging out with folks dressed as klansmen.

Lulz.
05-03-2017 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
I think this is fantastic. Lock them all up.
Of course you do. Because you don't genuinely believe in free speech. You're a fascist. You believe in free speech for anyone who's on your side.
05-03-2017 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Because you don't genuinely believe in free speech. You're a fascist. You believe in free speech for anyone who's on your side.
Sounds like a perfect description of the left (i.e. your side) einbert.

I bet you don't even get the irony.
05-03-2017 , 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Lapidator
Maybe she'll think better of hanging out with folks dressed as klansmen.
Worked out okay for Trump.
05-03-2017 , 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Of course you do. Because you don't genuinely believe in free speech. You're a fascist. You believe in free speech for anyone who's on your side.
Lol. Pot, meet Kettle.
05-04-2017 , 12:24 AM
The fascists are the ones who cheer when the government locks up people who laugh at it.
05-04-2017 , 01:09 AM
15 years hard labor minimum imo.
05-04-2017 , 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
15 years hard labor minimum imo.
Your too nice!
05-04-2017 , 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
Your too nice!
Make her Trump's personal liason to North Korea. Give her a chance to see first hand what not having protected speech is really like.
05-04-2017 , 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Lapidator
Make her Trump's personal liason to North Korea. Give her a chance to see first hand what not having protected speech is really like.
Wtf is wrong with you?
05-04-2017 , 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
The fascists are the ones who cheer when the government locks up people who laugh at it.
Of course the press is lying when they pretend all she did was laugh or that her conviction was based on just laughing. It ignores the yelling and shouting on the way out the door.
05-04-2017 , 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by 5ive
Wtf is wrong with you?
I think it would be great if Trump would show his humanity and concern for his fellow Americans by taking a personal interest in this woman by creating a high paying and prestigious job for her.

What's wrong with that?
05-04-2017 , 10:51 AM
Curious on everyones take about the Red Sox banning the fan for life from Fenway that was shouting racial slurs at a player (Adam Jones, I believe). I mean obviously he was wrong in doing so, but doesn't that open up a door to accusations and other words causing ejections of fans?
Not only did Mr. Jones make a statement about how wrong it was of the fan to call him the N word, but at the same time he is calling baseball a "white mans game", seems hypocritical in its own way, but what is there to stop people of accusing someone of a racial slur to get them kicked from the stands?
Also, in Georgia, it is illegal (acutally written in the law books) to use profanity in front of children under the age of 14. Does this mean that every person that is caught swearing at a Braves game in front of a child under 14 that is in attendance should be ejected and fined? Sounds crazy to me but based on the above ruling it seems fair especially if someone is "offended" by it.
I mean there are tons of hypothetical situations that can be made up and used to see how this can open up a huge gray area, but if one person is being banned for the use of a word, shouldn't everybody that uses that said word be banned? There isn't a certain group of people that are aloud to yell "fire" in a crowded venue when there is not a fire.

And question. I understand there isn't protection of the 1st amendment at work, private companies/places, but if the stadium is funded by tax payer dollars, does that not make it a public stadium?

EDIT: Also a big LOL at kicking out a fan for life for using racial slurs, but players get a tiny suspension for a domestic violence incident. Maybe a year max?
05-04-2017 , 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Gustafson26
Curious on everyones take about the Red Sox banning the fan for life from Fenway that was shouting racial slurs at a player (Adam Jones, I believe). I mean obviously he was wrong in doing so, but doesn't that open up a door to accusations and other words causing ejections of fans?
Not only did Mr. Jones make a statement about how wrong it was of the fan to call him the N word, but at the same time he is calling baseball a "white mans game", seems hypocritical in its own way, but what is there to stop people of accusing someone of a racial slur to get them kicked from the stands?
Also, in Georgia, it is illegal (acutally written in the law books) to use profanity in front of children under the age of 14. Does this mean that every person that is caught swearing at a Braves game in front of a child under 14 that is in attendance should be ejected and fined? Sounds crazy to me but based on the above ruling it seems fair especially if someone is "offended" by it.
I mean there are tons of hypothetical situations that can be made up and used to see how this can open up a huge gray area, but if one person is being banned for the use of a word, shouldn't everybody that uses that said word be banned? There isn't a certain group of people that are aloud to yell "fire" in a crowded venue when there is not a fire.

And question. I understand there isn't protection of the 1st amendment at work, private companies/places, but if the stadium is funded by tax payer dollars, does that not make it a public stadium?

EDIT: Also a big LOL at kicking out a fan for life for using racial slurs, but players get a tiny suspension for a domestic violence incident. Maybe a year max?
Not really sure MLB/ Red Sox have much of a choice. It is not a good look for the game to have fans yelling racial slurs, they probably get sued for having a hostile work environment or even have players boycotting going to Boston. They do not have much choice except to protect their employees.
05-04-2017 , 11:16 AM
Ok, I understand your point, but why don't pitchers get ejected for life that intentionally beam someone with at 90mph fast ball? I think that would hurt more than a word and both being intentional.
05-04-2017 , 11:17 AM
I don't think it's a free speech issue. If you walk into a public park and start yelling obscenities you can still be arrested for disorderly conduct.

As to the punishments, it's all just related to PR. There won't be backlash to them banning a fan for life but there could be if they did less.

      
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