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08-11-2017 , 02:43 AM

#3301

6ix

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jalfrezi

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That JiggyJerkOff had never heard of the world 'gulag' outside a Solzhenitsyn book title shouldn't be surprising I guess.

There's way too much to unpack in that short post of his.

And apparently he just doubled down.

08-11-2017 , 02:43 AM

#3302

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Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

Jiggy,

Everyone but you knew what a gulag was. Jalfrezi is pretty old and may have even known what a gulag was before that book was published.

Knowing what something is and knowing the origin of that thing entering the modern lexicon is knowing two different things.

08-11-2017 , 02:46 AM

#3303

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JiggyMac

Knowing what something is and knowing the origin of that thing is knowing two different things.

The origin of what thing? The origin of gulag? It's origin being that book?

Did you edit that lexicon bit?

Oh well.

Anyway, it's NOT the origin of it's entry into the modern lexicon you dolt. Hell, that book wasn't even the origin of Solzhenitsyn's calling attention to the gulags. Hell, he won the Nobel Prize before that book was published.

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08-11-2017 , 03:03 AM

#3304

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Originally Posted by microbet

Anyway, it's NOT the origin of it's entry into the modern lexicon you dolt. Hell, that book wasn't even the origin of Solzhenitsyn's calling attention to the gulags. Hell, he won the Nobel Prize before that book was published.

Here was writing that book prior to his other books. Publishing order really isn't important - more so the fact that he was the one who brought it to widespread attention. Really the point was the Jordan Peterson consistently references the book in his lectures.

08-11-2017 , 03:11 AM

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Your first two sentences there are Trumpian. Of course publishing order matters as far as bringing something into the modern lexicon. The third sentence? Meh. I don't know and can neither confirm nor deny its Trumpiness.

08-11-2017 , 03:14 AM

#3306

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JiggyMac

Here was writing that book prior to his other books. Publishing order really isn't important - more so the fact that he was the one who brought it to widespread attention. Really the point was the Jordan Peterson consistently references the book in his lectures.

And MY point was LOL at that.

Not, hey, what's this strange quasiacronym word here, won't some kind gentleman and scholar please show me the light?

08-11-2017 , 03:16 AM

#3307

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But REALLY your point was simply trying to make some Sick Sweet Burn Bro(tm) and to Hell with anything else, but it backfired, again, because you're literally an evolutionary mistake.

08-11-2017 , 03:25 AM

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Why kind of person is so down the rabbit hole that they got the the word gulag from some wierdo's mention about a book with the word gulag in it instead of, you know, history class where they would have mentioned it?

08-11-2017 , 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

I think the point was it wasn't taught in History classes until it was revealed. And considering how assuredly the Gulag administrators were not eager to publicize their work - the origin of its dissemination is relevant.

Similar with the Holocaust, right? It's not like the Nazis were publicizing it.

08-11-2017 , 03:41 AM

#3310

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Originally Posted by JiggyMac

I'm going to guess you took a history class some time after the 1960's

08-11-2017 , 03:49 AM

#3311

6ix

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In which Jiggily learns the hard way he should've left it alone after "I have no words."

08-11-2017 , 08:27 AM

#3312

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Not only is his head up his ass, but it's full of **** too. Glorious! I knew of gulags in the 80's, where you even alive then Jiggly?

08-11-2017 , 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by kerowo

Not only is his head up his ass, but it's full of **** too. Glorious! I knew of gulags in the 80's, where you even alive then Jiggly?

Considering he began composing it in 1958 and final published the book in 1973, that would make sense. You do know we were fighting a Cold War with Russia in the 80s, right?

08-11-2017 , 10:23 AM

#3314

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More than you chief.

08-11-2017 , 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by JiggyMac

Considering he began composing it in 1958 and final published the book in 1973, that would make sense. You do know we were fighting a Cold War with Russia in the 80s, right?

What does the year he started composing it have to do with anything? He didn't win the Nobel Prize in Literature in 1970 for having started the composition of The Gulag Archipeligo. A Day in the Live of Ivan Denisovich, published in 1962, had a lot to do with it though.

08-11-2017 , 11:14 AM

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It's like saying we learned about the Holocaust from Ann Frank's diary. People in America knew about the gulags while they were happening. They were more widely known in America because of propaganda for the Cold War.

08-11-2017 , 11:19 AM

#3317

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Jiggy thought everyone also learns about the world from Jordan Peterson, the SMARTEST MAN ALIVE, lol.

08-11-2017 , 11:20 AM

#3318

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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

Yeah, and Americans and the West in general knew about Solzhenitsyn because of the cold war. See "worthy victims".

08-11-2017 , 11:25 AM

#3319

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Originally Posted by JiggyMac

In Al-Jalherzi's world, if you understand the origins of things, apparently you have passed his intellect and he is incapable of comprehension. His brain short circuits.

I know people who are smarter than you might look like magicians, but it's just that we're well educated.

It's ****ing incredible that now Jiggy is also trying this weird "yer name sounds Ay-rab" thing against jalfrezi.

Listen if you switched from trying to learn about the world from youtubes to trying to learn about the world from Seamless at least you'd get a hot meal.

08-11-2017 , 11:43 AM

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In any case, this is a more succinct explanation with what I wanted to be talking about with Google and talking about averages

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If, as the manifesto’s defenders claim, the population averages do not have anything to say about individual Googlers, who are all exceptional, then why is Google the subject of the manifesto’s arguments at all? What do averages have to do with hiring practices at a company that famously hires fewer than one percent of applicants? In the name of the rational empiricism and quantitative rigor that the manifesto holds so dear, shouldn’t we insist that it only cite studies that specifically speak to the tails of the distribution — to the actual pool of women Google draws from?

For example, we could look to the percentage of women majoring in computer science at highly selective colleges and universities. Women currently make up about 30 percent of the computer science majors at Stanford University, one key source of Google’s elite workforce. Harvey Mudd College, another elite program, has seen its numbers grow steadily for many years, and is currently at about 50 percent women in their computer science department.

Yet Google’s workforce is just 19 percent female. So even if we imagine for a moment that the manifesto is correct and there is some biological ceiling on the percentage of women who will be suited to work at Google — less than 50 percent of their workforce — isn’t it the case that Google, and tech generally, is almost certainly not yet hitting that ceiling?

Also the author or the piece says that he doesn't dive into race but that he mentions it along with gender but if I remember correctly he does mention race and IQs as something liberals don't acknowledge which I would guess alludes to Murray's Bell Curve

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the Left tends to deny science concerning biological differences between people (e.g., IQ[8] and sex differences).

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It is striking to me that the manifesto author repeatedly lists race alongside gender when listing programs and preferences he thinks should be done away with, but, unlike gender, he never purports to have any scientific backing for this. The omission is telling. Would defenders of the memo still be comfortable if the author had casually summarized race and IQ studies to argue that purported biological differences — not discrimination or unequal access to education — explained Google’s shortage of African-American programmers?

I think you could put two and two together and surmise that there could be a 10 page memo on IQs and African Americans and that's why there's not a lot of them at Google. Though I'm willing to hear that I'm wrong

https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/201...biology-sexism

08-11-2017 , 11:48 AM

#3321

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

In any case, this is a more succinct explanation with what I wanted to be talking about with Google and talking about averages

Also the author or the piece says that he doesn't dive into race but that he mentions it along with gender but if I remember correctly he does mention race and IQs as something liberals don't acknowledge which I would guess alludes to Murray's Bell Curve

I think you could put two and two together and sumerize that there could be a 10 page memo on IQs and African Americans and that's why there's not a lot of them at Google. Though I'm willing to hear that I'm wrong

https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/201...biology-sexism

She seems to be having an emotional response.

Intelligence is not the same as Personality Traits. (1 dimension vs. 5).

Cursory Googling - look at HuffPo using stereotypes:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_6416856.html

LOL!

08-11-2017 , 11:49 AM

#3322

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Originally Posted by JiggyMac

She seems to be having an emotional response.

Intelligence is not the same as Personality Traits.

Oh? Tell!

08-11-2017 , 11:49 AM

#3323

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Originally Posted by JiggyMac

She seems to be having an emotional response.

She's a lecturer in computer science at Stanford and you didn't know what a gulag was.

08-11-2017 , 11:54 AM

#3324

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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

She's a lecturer in computer science at Stanford and you didn't know what a gulag was.

So....she's not an expert in psychology, correct? Seems like an appeal to authority here.

Is she not capable of having an emotional response? You sound like a heartless misogynist.

08-11-2017 , 11:55 AM

#3325

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Originally Posted by JiggyMac

So....she's not an expert in psychology, correct? Seems like an appeal to authority here.

Is she not capable of having an emotional response? You sound like a heartless misogynist.

She's a lecturer in computer science at Stanford and you didn't know what a gulag was.

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