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So ****ing perfect:

FoldN, this is literally, literally, a demand for a Safe Space. ****ing priceless.

The rest of the Diversity Memo is typical disingenious aspy white dude bull****, lol acting like it's a big deal. A tech bro with ****ty social views who fancies himself a "classical liberal" who values "reason"? Now I've seen everything.

Not refuting the points of the memo then, just attacking the arguer - like every other rebuttal to the memo. Classic.

08-07-2017 , 09:46 AM

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That guy went from "We must judge people as individuals" to "We must recognize that certain races have higher IQs" and our resident rightwingers never even noticed.

08-07-2017 , 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 13ball

That guy went from "We must judge people as individuals" to "We must recognize that certain races have higher IQs" and our resident rightwingers never even noticed.

To be fair, that was the classical liberal viewpoint.

08-07-2017 , 03:36 PM

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Ironically here's a major problem with the "call out culture" etc, but it's in YA
The article is about a YA book in which there are different races and some people consider those races to be less than equal. The protagonist questions that logic and leads the rebellion against in later chapters

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It was this premise that led Sinyard to slam The Black Witch as “racist, ableist, homophobic, and … written with no marginalized people in mind,” in a review that consisted largely of pull quotes featuring the book’s racist characters saying or doing racist things.

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In a tweet that would be retweeted nearly 500 times, Sinyard asked people to spread the word about The Black Witch by sharing her review — a clarion call for YA Twitter, which regularly identifies and denounces books for being problematic (an all-purpose umbrella term for describing texts that engage improperly with race, gender, sexual orientation, disability, and other marginalizations). Led by a group of influential authors who pull no punches when it comes to calling out their colleagues’ work, and amplified by tens of thousands of teen and young-adult followers for whom online activism is second nature, the campaigns to keep offensive books off shelves are a regular feature in a community that’s as passionate about social justice as it is about reading.

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Dramatic as that sounds, it’s worth noting that my attempts to report this piece were met with intense pushback. Sinyard politely declined my request for an interview in what seemed like a routine exchange, but then announced on Twitter that our interaction had “scared” her, leading to backlash from community members who insisted that the as-yet-unwritten story would endanger her life. Rumors quickly spread that I had threatened or harassed Sinyard; several influential authors instructed their followers not to speak to me; and one librarian and member of the Newbery Award committee tweeted at Vulture nearly a dozen times accusing them of enabling “a washed-up YA author” engaged in “a personalized crusade” against the entire publishing community (disclosure: while freelance culture writing makes up the bulk of my work, I published a pair of young adult novels in 2012 and 2014.) With one exception, all my sources insisted on anonymity, citing fear of professional damage and abuse.

None of this comes as a surprise to the folks concerned by the current state of the discourse, who describe being harassed for dissenting from or even questioning the community’s dynamics. One prominent children’s-book agent told me, “None of us are willing to comment publicly for fear of being targeted and labeled racist or bigoted. But if children’s-book publishing is no longer allowed to feature an unlikable character, who grows as a person over the course of the story, then we’re going to have a pretty boring business.”

Another agent, via email, said that while being tarred as problematic may not kill an author’s career — “It’s likely made the rounds as gossip, but I don’t know it’s impacting acquisitions or agents offering representation” — the potential for reputational damage is real: “No one wants to be called a racist, or sexist, or homophobic. That stink doesn’t wash off.”

But...

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As for the potential of these campaigns to affect a book’s sales, that same publisher is unconcerned. “There’s that line — there’s no such thing as bad press — and at some point people will buy it just to take a look at it so they can join the critical parade.” (Even The Black Witch, which took one of the worst online beatings in recent memory, scored a No. 1 rating in Amazon’s department of “Teen & Young Adult Wizards Fantasy” a few days after its release and has been overwhelmingly well-reviewed since.)

Among the book-buying public, though, that parade may be mostly passing unnoticed. The scandals that loom so large on Twitter don’t necessarily interest consumers; instead, the tempest of these controversies remains confined to a handful of internet teapots where a few angry voices can seem thunderously loud. Still, some publishing professionals imagine that the outrage will eventually become powerful enough to rattle the industry. Another agent, who describes himself as devoted to diversity in publishing since before it became a mainstream concern, is ambivalent about the current state of affairs.

*Clap* Twitter (and college) *Clap* Isn't *Clap* Real *Clap* Life *Clap*

http://www.vulture.com/2017/08/the-t...a-twitter.html

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08-07-2017 , 03:59 PM

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How aspie do you have to be to piss away a job at Google just because you can't handle working alongside women?

08-07-2017 , 05:11 PM

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trolls can sniff 'aspy' taints for careless, habitual stigmatizing.

08-07-2017 , 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by FoldnDark

though it seems like the guy is really asking there be a philosophical shift from seeking more biological diversity to more intellectual diversity within the company.

Control +F "union", 0 of 0 results.

08-07-2017 , 08:33 PM

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Original Position, if you're out there, I hope you've taken note of the responses to that Google memo, both here and in the media at large. That guy is an alt-right racist, sexist, misogynist, deplorable... this is clear. At least it is clear among a pretty large group of people who live inside a bubble that has consumed much more than a just few universities.

08-07-2017 , 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JiggyMac

Nothing to see here. This is only a small minority of people who don't exist in the "real world". I mean, you've never met anyone from Google - they're just in the cloud, right? Free expression is not being suppressed, YouTube isn't censoring content and SJWism is just a figment of your imagination. Please return to the education camps for your next "lesson".

Why care about Youtube censoring content? The market will decide, right?

08-07-2017 , 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladesman87

Why care about Youtube censoring content? The market will decide, right?

Oh, it is. YouTube is barely profitable (expenses = revenue). This could do quite a bit of damage.

In other Google News, apparently some women had a hard time dealing with the #GoogleManifesto

(And before you say anything, I work with all women, have a female boss, and honestly - I don't think any of them would have taken the day off. Maybe it's just Googlers in general who are soft, snowflake, SJWs).

08-07-2017 , 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JiggyMac

Not refuting the points of the memo then, just attacking the arguer - like every other rebuttal to the memo. Classic.

Let's assume he didn't. 13ball definitely did. And you didn't reply to him. CLASSIC BRO CLASSIC.

08-07-2017 , 09:51 PM

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EmotionalMac the JiggyFeeler

08-07-2017 , 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 6ix

Let's assume he didn't. 13ball definitely did. And you didn't reply to him. CLASSIC BRO CLASSIC.

I have both you and 13ball on ignore. I get to choose when I decide to respond to those on that list. Like I am now.

08-07-2017 , 10:03 PM

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Ignore braggart.

08-07-2017 , 10:26 PM

#2940

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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

Control +F "union", 0 of 0 results.

Especially poignant now that his ass got fired

08-07-2017 , 10:28 PM

#2941

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Originally Posted by FoldnDark

Like we go back to the well here, but what the **** is FoldN asking for here? That people just agree with the memo or something?

08-07-2017 , 10:36 PM

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I used free speech to declare "spiritual freedom" from the likes of Roy Moore. Free speech gonna handle all that prayer war religious right trump government law regulation **** like it's right here.

08-07-2017 , 11:16 PM

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08-07-2017 , 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JiggyMac

Oh, it is. YouTube is barely profitable (expenses = revenue). This could do quite a bit of damage.

In other Google News, apparently some women had a hard time dealing with the #GoogleManifesto

I'm sorry, but did you really not understand the question?

I asked "Why would you care?" not "Is that true?". Say it is censoring left, right, and centre. The market will do it's job here, won't it?

08-07-2017 , 11:38 PM

#2945

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Originally Posted by Bladesman87

I'm sorry, but did you really not understand the question?

I asked "Why would you care?" not "Is that true?". Say it is censoring left, right, and centre. The market will do it's job here, won't it?

I agree with you. The market will decide. People will leave YouTube and that's fine with me.

I could be persuaded to regulate information networks though - Facebook and Twitter come to mind. Make them operate like Common Carriers such as ISPs and Airlines.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common...communications

Because they are more like networks instead of services, their censorship could be considered interfering with Free Speech. They also seem to meet a threshold of critical mass that something like a 2+2 forum would not.

08-08-2017 , 12:04 AM

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Let's leave aside the rampant misogyny for a minute and just imagine what it's like to carry that much spite inside you. Like, we all have co-workers who annoy us but we sort of shut up and go on with our day; just imagine being compelled to author a ten-page manifesto that will get you fired from a dream gig at Google just because you absolutely cannot contain your hate for them. It's an amazing testament to the women who have navigated these kinds of hostile workplaces for decades.

08-08-2017 , 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by FoldnDark

That guy is an alt-right racist, sexist, misogynist, deplorable... this is clear. At least it is clear among a pretty large group of people who live inside a bubble...

Is the reader supposed to have the memory of a goldfish here? FoldN, we can see what you wrote in the previous sentence. It's right there in front of us.

08-08-2017 , 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladesman87

Why care about Youtube censoring content? The market will decide, right?

The market doesn't decide much when you are dealing with a monopoly.

08-08-2017 , 12:12 AM

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I haven't read even 1 page of that 10 page blog but can already sense the goading. Will the fallen hero grow like an young adult book star or fail forever because sjws can't stand that trump is THEIR precious dent and have replaces formal greeting hello with just saying racist.

08-08-2017 , 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by FoldnDark

...people who live inside a bubble that has consumed much more than a just few universities.

PPS: Google is not actually a university. I know that's confusing because it is a place where you can learn things, but in fact Google is actually a non-academic corporation in an overwhelmingly male-dominated field where hateful misogynistic *******s have zero problem becoming senior programmers.

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