But it does. How is Black Lives Matter supposed to attempt to change their image if all it takes is someone doing a negative piece or doing a sham cut up job on them for you to accept that they need change their image? Keep in mind the video you posted just as a black person in it, A BLACK PERSON, and you posted it with the title BLM activist in it, as if a black person and BLM are synomous. There is absolutely no way BLM can make everyone say something positive about them, it's an impossible burden to meet. But that's the point, you want an impossible burden to meet so you can throw up your hands and say, "Well sure in theory I'd love to help but all those actual people, they just say the wrong things, are too mean etc." Even if they're not even a Black Lives Matter activist! They're just black!

That's how I knew you'd be lazy with your evidence that BLM needs to clean up their imagine. You wouldn't bother to research them, know anything really about them, what their manifestos are, what kind of people they attract, how they ferret out bad people, if they kick out bad people, etc. None of that is relevant when you can just find something negative, say that negative thing is a problem, and then demand that BLM police every moment of their lives and try to suck up to absolutely everyone so that no one ever says anything bad, even those with every incentive to do so.

It's been so transparent and why you want us to ignore your bad faith arguments and laziness and treat this as if it's just people coming together to sort things out.

So racist propaganda about BLM is on foldn's YouTube. Sounds like a prejudice situation.

Is YouTube having such easy racism available to radicalize whites and conservatives a reason trump won?

Alright guy, you've made a whole lot of wrong assumptions there, attributing all sorts of motive without bothering to address any of my actual points. I can't argue with this sort of frantic random thinking.

I accept your apology.

Whoops, accidentally highlighted some hot mess of incredulously denied racism.

That google tricked them.

Dag Nabbit, the descriptor racist has broke free.

Make saying racist always an insult again! Free speech!!!!!

I think you should respond. You complain about people not reading your links or watching your videos - but Huehuecoyotl's point that you were lazy with your evidence here seems correct. Why should people follow your links if you are lazy about evidence and don't care whether they are accurate or not?

Because whether it is accurate isn't really the point. The point is about tribalism, and it's well demonstrated here. How do you know if the video is or isn't accurate? None of you have bothered to admit to the forum, and likely to yourselves, the video could be legit. Some are happy to accept it's not without ever viewing it. That burden of proof is strangely high. Is this not pure tribalism, assuming a video is illigite without any evidence? Would the standard be so high if the roles were reversed?

It's amazing that spending hours watching propaganda aimed at BLM would leave you with this impression. And you couldn't find any positive videos?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbicAmaXYtM

And what's the alternative to identity politics anyway? If black people act more more polite then the president won't spread fabricated statistics about black crime?

I don't know, content of their character politics perhaps?

That guy was shot dead on his hotel balcony, so brilliant ****ing example.

I found that one. There are a few good vids. What would you say, 10-1 con vs pro? It's sad that even the pro videos get such terrible ratings. Clearly Youtube is a hate site brimming with white supremacist propaganda, and it's viewers are all mostly white supremacists, so the mods should consider banning it for PC reasons.

I'm sure it will surprise you that I have read plenty of positive things about Black Lives Matter, and I support much of their cause. The for profit prison system is a an issue I wish got more publicity, and I've argued against it. It just seems strange how there is practically no room for criticism of any of aspects of social justice without quickly becoming part of the wrong tribe. Weinstein used the be a progressive before suddenly and inexplicably joining the far right and getting run off as the White Supremacist he always was secretly.

This is a pretty stupid comment given that YouTube is known for its particularly racist comments section.

There's plenty of room for criticism, but look at the videos you are watching. You think some heavily edited college debate is the go-to video for what BLM is? Alex Jones has some of the most viewed BLM videos, FFS.

And your double standard is obvious. When alt-right dip****s post racist and antisemitic stuff, you laugh it off and say they're just kids reacting to unfairly being called racists. It's not their fault--it's liberals' fault.

But when black kids react to other black kids actually getting killed by the police, you scold them and say it's there fault that racism is so bad. Either you haven't thought about anything that you discuss regarding race in this forum or you are doing this deliberately because deep down you kind of hate black people. Guess which way I'm leaning.

Yes it is. Just admit you were wrong and move on.

The person who posted it says that it is from competitive college debate. Evidently he doesn't know how college debate works. I do, so I know that arguments for the motion don't say anything about the views of the debaters. As for whether the standards would be as high if the roles were reversed: you should use your own standards for evidence, not the (in your view) poor standards of the people with which you disagree.

Um, how is he still posting?

I'm not sure what to think after watching it again. I mean, debate in college means making terribly bigoted arguments very passionately? Seems like that's the sort of thing that attracts huge, sometimes violent protests lately when campus conservatives are accused of it. Was that debate really supposed to be competitive, because it sounded like a deranged human being arguing white people should kill themselves. That might even get Fly a day off from P.

I'm willing to take your explanation as putting the arguments in a bit better context, but I honestly cannot believe any of you would accept this same excuse if the roles were reversed. Lol, Bruce said nothing close to such terrible things and no context was accepted. Weinstein argued whites shouldn't be asked to stay home from school and he was run out of Evergreen college as a white supremacist (don't forget to ignore those videos too, yall). The Christakases argued kids should feel free to select risky halloween costumes and were run out of Yale.

Feels like an there's a sort of iron law in place these days.

https://medium.com/@freddiedeboer/th...t-735da96f61d3
[quote]People talk a lot about the current moment as the beginning of a nascent left ascendance. I would love to believe that’s true, and I do think that the material conditions have worsened in this country to the point where people are getting fed up. But I’ve been working in left activism, in one way or another, since I was 14 years old. In those 20 years, I have never encountered a time where the discursive conditions within the radical left were less conducive to building a mass movement through appealing to the enlightened self-interests of the persuadable. I fear that the internet has simply made it too easy for leftists to find each other and build mutually-therapeutic communities which encourage people to regress into them, rather than to spread their message slowly through society. And I fear that replacing the union hall with the college campus as the center of left intellectual life has made class struggle seem like an intellectual exercise rather than a day-to-day matter of life and death.

I think there’s real problems within the left — theoretical, political, discursive, pragmatic. I say these things out of a deep and sincere belief that we must fix our own problems before we can hope to gain power necessary to fix the world. Some people disagree, which is fine. What I find disturbing is how few other people are willing to take on a role of within-group critic, and how many are willing to excommunicate anyone who performs such a role. Who is allowed, within the left, to tell the left things it does not want to hear? The Iron Law helps explain the absence of such voices. As for me, almost none of the people who most need to hear this message will bother to read it. Instead, they’ll tell the same sad jokes to the same group of the already-convinced, preventing the possibility for effective introspection and reform. And that’s exactly the problem.

W in the F are you talking about?

SRSLY, W in the F is he talking about?

last nerves getting worked itt

Yes.
You certainly do have strong message discipline, I'll give you that.

They joined a cult when they enrolled at that school, in case you're actually wondering.

lul