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05-25-2013 , 02:00 PM

cocktails

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When i was younger i always learned that Fidel Castro is really a bad person. A few weeks ago i saw a documentary of him and he seems like a really good person and a good leader... He did many good things for Cuba including free healthcare en studying... People from all over the carribean are studying there..

So what do the knowledgeable folks of twoplustwo think, is Fidel Castro good or bad?

05-25-2013 , 03:29 PM

Turn Prophet

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Depends.

05-26-2013 , 12:42 PM

Zeno

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This is the History Forum - not current events or an ethics/morals forum. Cigar puffing Castro is still blowing smoke. You can make this post in the History Forum after he dies and is in the grave for 20 years.

This will be moved to the new politics unchained forum as the best fit for the OP.

05-26-2013 , 12:48 PM

2/325Falcon

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And so the thread dumping begins.

05-26-2013 , 01:17 PM

Tien

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cocktails

Bad. Just because someone has good intentions does not mean they are good leaders. The fact that Cuba is about 30-40 years behind the rest of the world in many industries is not a good thing.

He had good intentions to protect the Cuban people from American ownership, but his socialist ideals didn't end up helping the Cuban people in the long run.

What good is studying and getting degrees, if the best profession and native Cuban can hope for money wise is being a bartender to collect tips from foreigners.

Just take a trip to Cuba yourself and walk around Havannah and talk to people about what they do for a living.

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05-26-2013 , 01:27 PM

[Phill]

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Depends on where you draw the line for good and bad.

I think it is pretty clear the biggest problem Cuba has isnt having Castro in charge for all those years but having the trade embargo with the US in place for all those years.

If Cuba had been enriched through trade there could have been a Cuban Spring decades ago or Castro could have stepped back and let Cuba develop and democracy could be there right now.

05-26-2013 , 02:05 PM

Cwocwoc

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Quote:

Originally Posted by [Phill]

What was Cuba like before Castro ?

05-26-2013 , 03:02 PM

joeyDizzle

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Cuba

05-26-2013 , 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Cwocwoc

What was Cuba like before Castro ?

Depends on whether or not you were friends with Meyer Lansky.

05-26-2013 , 03:24 PM

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JimAfternoon

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He sucks.

05-26-2013 , 04:39 PM

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Cwocwoc

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zikzak

Depends on whether or not you were friends with Meyer Lansky.

Well that explains the revolution and the Bay of Pigs explains why he agreed to host Russian missiles. My theory is that he had JFK popped off as well but it was a two-way street so I don't blame him for that.

05-26-2013 , 04:53 PM

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[Phill]

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My theory is you are an idiot. In general.

05-26-2013 , 05:03 PM

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Cwocwoc

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Quote:

Originally Posted by [Phill]

My theory is you are an idiot. In general.

These are widely held views Phill so I must conclude that you are ill-informed. There's a lot of that about on the 2+2 forums. Reading is your friend.

05-26-2013 , 05:22 PM

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Immaculate Conception is also a a widely held view.

05-26-2013 , 05:26 PM

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Cwocwoc

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zikzak

Immaculate Conception is also a a widely held view.

The views I expressed are shared by reputable historians and no I'm not going to spoon feed you.

05-26-2013 , 05:38 PM

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[Phill]

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Widely held views by idiots and con artists who want to make money from idiots. Castro would never have dared assassinate a President in case it were ever discovered, which it would have been, obv.

05-26-2013 , 05:49 PM

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05-26-2013 , 05:50 PM

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Cuba, good or bad?

05-27-2013 , 12:30 AM

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Castro's not so bad. I think he had good intentions the whole time, it's just a combination of communism not working and paranoia resulting from at least 6 US assassination attempts and an invasion.

05-27-2013 , 02:01 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 2/325Falcon

And so the thread dumping begins.

lolz

05-27-2013 , 02:29 AM

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spanktehbadwookie

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better than hitler worst than obama?

05-27-2013 , 03:52 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by [Phill]

Widely held views by idiots and con artists who want to make money from idiots. Castro would never have dared assassinate a President in case it were ever discovered, which it would have been, obv.

"On the morning of 22 November 1963, the day Kennedy was killed in Dallas, Castro ordered a senior intelligence officer in Havana to stop listening for non-specific CIA radio communications and to concentrate on "any little detail, any small detail from Texas"

"Four hours later came news that Kennedy was dead."

"Latell, now a senior lecturer on Cuba at the University of Miami, said he discovered the information in interviews with Cuban former intelligence officers, backed up by declassified US government documents."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...swald-jfk-book

It's highly plausible imo

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05-27-2013 , 01:36 PM

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[Phill]

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No, it isnt. Stop taking the word of charlatans and walter mitty scumbags as substantive.

Here is another quote that proves it didnt happen:

"I didnt work with Castro, lol, why would you think I did?"
Lee Harvey Oswald

You may claim my quote isnt real, but it has more substance than your quote. If the CIA had any evidence or even just decent theory Castro was involved in the death of a sitting President he would have been straight up full scale invaded and killed with extreme prejudice. And Castro knew this, he would have never risked it incase it were ever found out.