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Fact, feminist theory, or...? Fact, feminist theory, or...?

02-09-2014 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by sputnik3000
Why do i need to read a book when i have you here? Tell me why you believe we need feminism and what injustice women suffer in the western world.
If I post you a decent set of introductory links do you promise to actually read them and not just skim through looking for stuff you can disagree with?
02-09-2014 , 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Bloobird
If I post you a decent set of introductory links do you promise to actually read them and not just skim through looking for stuff you can disagree with?
Post away and ill read.
02-09-2014 , 06:07 PM
OK, will post some in the next day or so.
02-09-2014 , 11:36 PM
I can't wait till Hillary wins the presidency. The MRA tools are going to lose it. Maybe she will give Sandra Fluke some kind of token troll position like "Child Custody Czar" or something.
02-10-2014 , 12:25 AM
Hill might be splicing in some Y chromosomes or something so the MRA fellas won't be a problem imo.



Spoiler:
That's a man, baby!
02-10-2014 , 12:37 AM
No that's a woman. Post menopausal I'm sure, but still a woman
02-10-2014 , 12:40 AM
Looks like there's no fun to be found in Merlin's Pants.
02-10-2014 , 01:29 AM
Looks like a woman to me too. You might want to get your vision checked.
02-10-2014 , 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by ianlippert
Could you elaborate? This sound interesting. I do think that societal bias toward giving women child custody by default is one of the MRAs less crazy ideas, but I'd love to hear some counter arguments.
Well one area to look at is how Alabama's domestic violence laws are overly vague in parts and can be easily exploitable. Alls it takes is some accusations and a citizen-signed warrant to get somebody locked up for a misdemeanor harrasment charge. Simply lying does the trick. Then you don't even get a jury trial until after you go to a judge for a bench trial. Good luck finding a lawyer that doesn't behave accordingly. It's bottom-feeders paradise. You wanna have a ****ty divorce from an insane person, Alabama's got all the ingredients.
02-10-2014 , 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by sputnik3000
Why do i need to read a book when i have you here? Tell me why you believe we need feminism and what injustice women suffer in the western world.
Sure, I'll take the five seconds it takes to find stuff for you, but first, why don't you share with the class where you get your info? Just let us know which MRA sites you read so we can know how hard to laugh at you.

Also, I haven't forgotten that you're avoiding trying to explain why you chose to attack feminism first, as opposed to bringing up separate issues for discussion. So it still looks like you're a bull**** concern troll.
02-10-2014 , 01:56 AM
Why don't you share with the class who you used to be on here, Roonil?
02-10-2014 , 01:57 AM
I think you might be David Sklansky.
02-10-2014 , 02:14 AM
I think it's LirvA.
02-10-2014 , 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by sputnik3000
what injustice women suffer in the western world.
injustice number one

injustice number two

injustice number three (tough to find a sfw version without detailed diagrams)

injustice number four

injustice number five

injustice number six

injustice number seven

I could keep going, of course, but what's the point? I don't pretend there is nothing wrong with society and how it treats its women or its men. You, on the other hand, seem baffled that anyone could think women have it bad right this very second. Well, they do. And they have also had it bad for quite some time.

In closing, because sometimes pictures speak louder than words:

02-10-2014 , 04:22 AM
I knee that if I procrastinated someone else would post some stuff for me. Laziness again proving to be an elite life strategy.
02-10-2014 , 08:36 AM
You should post what you have anyway. I'd be interested in reading it. Especially if you have anything on child custody studies.
02-10-2014 , 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Roonil Wazlib
Is the pay gap caused by gender, or is the outcome based in some other factor?

It is illegal to discriminate based on gender so women and men have the exact same options when it comes to pursuing a career. Unless we believe that men and women behave exactly the same there might be natural reason for the small pay gap. As noted before its widely known that men negotiate their salary better than women. Men are also more open to working longer hours and with more time away from home. Does that stem from our way of bringing up our children? Maybe, but i want to see it as we value things differently.

My conclusion is that the gender gap in pay is not an injustice to women unless you wanna blame the patriarchal father nature.
02-10-2014 , 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Roonil Wazlib
I dont quite get how you feel that one person using very bad wordings against another person an injustice against women?

I agree with the point that contraceptives should be subsidized but again i dont see how this would be an injustice to women because male contraceptives arent subsidized either.
02-10-2014 , 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by sputnik3000
I agree with the point that contraceptives should be subsidized but again i dont see how this would be an injustice to women because male contraceptives arent subsidized either.
Have you ever even talked to a woman that you aren't related to?

http://www.webmd.com/sex/birth-contr...-take-the-pill
02-10-2014 , 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Roonil Wazlib
Have you ever even talked to a woman that you aren't related to?

http://www.webmd.com/sex/birth-contr...-take-the-pill
It has more benefits so what? Where is the injustice part?
02-10-2014 , 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by sputnik3000
Where is the injustice part?
That women can't get useful medicine because of slut shaming?

I guess if you think that's cool then we can wrap this up early.
02-10-2014 , 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by sputnik3000
Is the pay gap caused by gender, or is the outcome based in some other factor?

It is illegal to discriminate based on gender so women and men have the exact same options when it comes to pursuing a career. Unless we believe that men and women behave exactly the same there might be natural reason for the small pay gap. As noted before its widely known that men negotiate their salary better than women. Men are also more open to working longer hours and with more time away from home. Does that stem from our way of bringing up our children? Maybe, but i want to see it as we value things differently.

My conclusion is that the gender gap in pay is not an injustice to women unless you wanna blame the patriarchal father nature.
The comparison is between men and women with the same amount of experience doing the same jobs.

Your argument above basically says 'I assume it's not due to discrimination, therefore it's not due to discrimination'. Not very convincing.
02-10-2014 , 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Roonil Wazlib
That women can't get useful medicine because of slut shaming?

I guess if you think that's cool then we can wrap this up early.
If this is some grand scheme against women why dont men get free contraceptives already? Imagine if condoms where free we would have much less stdīs. But no the patriarchy obv want to spread disease to hurt the womens.

Its about money not some evil plot against women. If you want it to be free you need to show that it has cost benefits.
02-10-2014 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by sputnik3000
If this is some grand scheme against women why dont men get free contraceptives already? Imagine if condoms where free we would have much less stdīs. But no the patriarchy obv want to spread disease to hurt the womens.

Its about money not some evil plot against women. If you want it to be free you need to show that it has cost benefits.
First, walk into any clinic, get free condoms. It's not hard.

Second, clearly you're not reading links that are being posted (otherwise you might remember one of the seven perks listed in that one article alone), so you're just a troll like shakira and not worth debating. Enjoy slapping each other's backs on your awesome troll efforts.
02-10-2014 , 09:58 AM
Contraceptives are primarily a female issue because men can't get pregnant.

I agree that all contraceptives should be subsidized, but allowing women to take control of whether they get pregnant is obv better.

      
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