The dead from war are dead, those who remain bear the primary burden of it's cost.

The question is how does strawmanning feminists solve the problem of violence? I doesn't. I recommend a fresh approach.

Just because 3 women are killed by their husbands for every 1 man that's killed by their wife doesn't mean that's they're any different. I got ya.

Just because we have nearly all of history as a record of men domineering women and treating them like inferior creatures doesn't mean anything. Hey- we can also ignore all the countries in the world where women still are treated like slaves. If a woman is raped by another man - she's stoned for what she's done. Men and women, they're the same.

You're just mind numbingly ignorant. The bigger question is why (what I can only assume) a young boy who seems to know about little more then video games is so threatened by women. I see other then video games you pop up here and there to show how you're threatened by feminism. What's your story little boy?

But you have done nothing to show that the quote of one person is representative of most feminists.

Ok lets say im an idiot. What is the best way to prove your point? Is it to keep calling me an idiot or explain and show why i am wrong? What was the meaning of what she said?

Big shock that the "BBV Alpha Male" person who either is 13 or writes like he is is too ****ing dense to understand my argument. Maybe when you're older the world will be a less confusing place and make you less angry. If it's just that you're dumb, that's probably going to be your resting state. Sucks to be you.

The whole "but men are victims too" thing is so ****ing transparent. The argument only takes that form when it comes from obvious misogynists and idiots, mostly because it's completely idiotic. OK, so we grant some men are abused, what's different now? It's not going to stop women from having opinions, no matter how much you want that to happen.

Just because 9 men for every 1 woman die at work doesnt mean they are any different?

http://inequalitybyinteriordesign.wo...related-death/

All im wondering is where are all the feminists that fight for better work conditions for men since feminists are supposed to fight for both genders?

Men's Rights posters- making Silver_Man look good since a couple days ago.

http://exposingfeminism.wordpress.com/shaming-tactics/

Quite interesting reading since its very prevalent as soon as you want to discuss something.

We could also just disregard that and ill let you bring up a logical answer why women suffer more in TODAYS society.

Where could they possibly be?

The about section of that website (bolding theirs):

lolololololololololololol

Maybe you clowns get mocked because of the blatantly insecure thinking that somehow turns attempts at equality into a "hate movement". You should be shamed, because you're stupid, hateful and vile.

Are you done with the name calling? Cmon give us your view on the situation. Where in our western society are women oppressed and dont have the same rights? What are important issues for you that we need to fight?

Yeah, they got nothing but a 50 foot tall straw boogie woman and they mad.

work place deaths have no bearing on the disparity between violence perpetrated on women by men vs violence against men by women.

Seriously, how old are you?

the whole thread starts out by referencing a class which correctly points out that women are subjected to violence by men far more then the reverse.

And you ask where is the problem?

Again, I ask how old you are? Since you seem completely oblivious to issues women have faced I historically I have to assume you're very young. You also seem widely ignorant of how women are still treated in other countries of the world (or you seem to think it a non-issue) that you somehow remain very ignorant. I'm hoping you say high school....

http://mantherapy.org/

Controlling Domestic Violence Against Men
Charles E. Corry, Erin Pizzey and Martin S.
Fiebert

Published research indicates that 25%-30% of all intimate violence is exclusively
female on male. People hit and abuse family members because they can. In today’s society,
as reflected in TV, movies, law enforcement, courts, and feminist literature, women are
openly given permission to hit men. However, “Primary aggressor” laws usually result in the
arrest of the male despite research showing 50% of domestic assaults are mutual. Studies
consistently find women use weapons more often in assaults than do men (~80% for women;
~25% for men). Women are significantly more likely to throw an object, slap, kick, bite, or
hit with their fist or an object. There is no support in the present data for the hypothesis that
women use violence only in self-defense. Three common reasons women give for male
abuse
are: to resolve the argument; to respond to family crisis; and to “stop him bothering me.”
Self-defense, is one of the less-frequently stated reasons by women for their assaults.
Research shows that a gender-balanced approach to domestic violence is essential in order to
reduce both the frequency and severity of such incidents for both men and women. In order to
address these issues in an effective way, we must first recognise that domestic violence and
abuse are human problems, not gender issues. Central to the solution is the restoration of civil
liberties, notably due legal process and equality before the law, which provides the bedrock
for any democratic nation

http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

Is that more in line with the discussion or are you just gonna keep slinging insults?

I'll tell you what, Gene, this guy might be the big fish in the pee-filled kiddie pool that is BBV, but he must be some kind of knucklehead if he thinks he's ready to step inside the UNCHAINED battle arena and tangle with Dids.

The weird thing is I recognize Sputty over here from the MRA group therapy(Issue #1: Everyone keeps calling us mean names on the internet, so that means we're right) thread in some other forum. Maybe the video game sexism thing, maybe a Jameis Winston thread, idk.

But the dude must be combing through these forums to find places where he can deploy his MOST POWERFUL INTELLECTUAL TOOLS:

an obviously out of context Hillary Clinton quote.

Checkmate, everyone who calls sputnik an idiot just because he's real real dumb.

Great memory.

" The experience that you have gone through is in many ways comparable to what happens with domestic violence. Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat. Women often have to flee from the only homes they have ever known. Women are often the refugees from conflict and sometimes, more frequently in today’s warfare, victims. Women are often left with the responsibility, alone, of raising the children. Women are again the victims in crime and domestic violence as well. Throughout our hemisphere we have an epidemic of violence against women, even though there is no longer any organized warfare that puts women in the direct line of combat. But domestic violence is now recognized as being the most pervasive human rights violation in the world. Here in El Salvador, according to the statistics gathered by your government, 1 in 6 women have been sexually assaulted and the number of domestic abuse complaints at just one agency topped 10,000 last year. Between 25 and 50 percent of women throughout Latin America have reportedly been victims of domestic violence.

The problem is all pervasive, but sometimes difficult to see. Every country on earth shares this dark secret. Too often, the women we see shopping at the markets, working at their jobs, caring for their children by day, go home at night and live in fear. Not fear of an invading army or a natural disaster or even a stranger in a dark alley, but fear of the very people -- family members -- who they are supposed to depend upon for help and comfort. This is the trust-destroying terror that attends every step of a victim of violence. For these women, their homes provide inadequate refuge, the law little protection, public opinion often less sympathy. That’s why we have to say over and over again, as Elizabeth has done and as so many of you have echoed, that violence against women is not simply cultural or a custom. It is simply criminal, a crime. The devastating effects of domestic violence on women are just as dramatic as the effects of war on women. The physical injury, the mental illness, the terrible loss of confidence limits the capacities of women to fulfill their God-given potentials. "

Am i wrong if i interpret that as her comparing domestic abuse with war and saying that women are the primary victim?

http://clinton3.nara.gov/WH/EOP/Firs.../19981117.html

The funny part is I had sputnik on ignore because of seeing his avatar in some other forum. Then realized I could just schmadschmock it, but was all "nah- anybody ****ty enough to use that avatar is probably dumb, I'll leave him ignored"

DIDS WINS AGAIN.

start by posting an argument, so far you called me an idiot and told me i was scared of women lol.

Also being the alpha male on bbv isnt about shooting arguments lol. It's about being slick

where is the argument ? i only see dumb accusation and a cliche

unless saying that, for some reason, im scared of women/feminism is an argument in your world ?

what the **** are you saying ? are you on meth ? why do you act like it takes a brain to think that women are victims ? Its what everybody get repeated over and over and over and over during all their life lol wtf ? Go ask any 10 years old in developed countries hes gonna say exactly what youre saying and hes gonna agree with u.

And what ''women opinion'' has to do with anything anywhere ? what women opinion are you even talking about ? Why do you put a specific sex in front of opinion ? and where did i say anything about me not wanting women to have opinion ? god youre an idiot, you probably think that people who dont vote obama are racist. your brain is so fried its sad, just keep repeating what youve been told and whats cool to repeat atm you might even make friends out of it

sad and true

however i fail to see your point. what does the women right to vote in 1920 has to do with domestic violence or men victims being treated like **** and being underestimated and undereported in ~2010

At worst the "primary victims of war" thing is an exaggeration, and I think that's open to interpretation and by acting like it's obviously laughable you're missing the whole point of the argument.

How is that some point of evidence in some great feminist conspiracy? What is that conspiracy attempting to accomplish? What are you at risk of losing? How the fact that women's rights advocates focus on women's rights issues a problem for men?