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Fact, feminist theory, or...? Fact, feminist theory, or...?

02-06-2014 , 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by omnishakira
i would have quit this class the second i knew my teacher was a feminist since the subject will clearly goes in conflict with her mentality. even more true if i saw that there was only women i mean this class is clearly a circlejerking feminist party

that being said, abused men dont report nearly as much due to shame and have next to no ressources when they do. Also, a woman hitting a man is way more accepted than the opposite so I would guess that the violence line is easier to cross when ur a man. Ive also heard that women are more violent toward their kids than men esp when the kid is a boy but when i tried to find evidence, all i found was ****ing spanking fetish website and pictures
You seem like a loathsome ****ing person.

How does feminism conflict with a conversation about interpersonal violence exactly?
02-07-2014 , 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Geez you're stupid. What a whiny, bitch-ass strawman this post is.
no, you.
02-07-2014 , 12:31 AM
Wiki :

UK : The 2008-09 bulletin stated: "6% of women and 4% of men reported having experienced domestic abuse in the past year, equivalent to an estimated one million female victims of domestic abuse and 600,000 male victims". Male very undereported too, could ez be 50% OR MAYBE EVEN 50,1% !!1!! the sky is the limit bro. However They also say that 40% of males complaint are fake but women is very high too but i dont remember the number

A study by the U.S. Department of Justice in 2000, surveying sixteen thousand Americans, found that 7.4% of men reported being physically assaulted by a current or former spouse, cohabiting partner, boyfriend or girlfriend, or date in their lifetime. Additionally, 0.9% of men reported experiencing domestic violence in the past year,[5] which would equate to about 2.5 million victims per year (using the 2000 census). The likely numbers are, as referred to, even higher.

The American Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) found in a 2013 report that a large number of men reported being victimized by a partner. To be precise, about 26% of homosexual men, 37% of bisexual men, and 29% of heterosexual men described being a domestic violence victim.Their analysis looked at 2010 data of over 16,000 U.S. adults.[14]

Pretty odd that men into an homosexual couple are 10% less likely to live domestic violence, dont you think so too you brainwashed, gullible idiot ? In before you tell me its because theyre of equal strength loooooooooool

Anyway i think you are very sexist toward women, can you ****ing stop thinking theyre some kind of little defenseless child that is incapable of anything if not massively helped and supported ? Jesus christ theyre humans just like you. Can you stop defending them when they do wrong like theyre incapable of taking moral responsability like an ape ? ****ing misogynist

Last edited by omnishakira; 02-07-2014 at 12:46 AM.
02-07-2014 , 12:54 AM
A random female victim confession :
All went well with my husband until he asked me the deadly question : ''Bitch, do you even lift'' and from this moment, I was baffled and couldnt say anything cause i knew damn well that I couldnt even lift and from this point, he started beating me because abuse in a couple is always being done by the one who ''can even lift'' and that's why men are the agressors 90% of the time if not more because they ''outlift'' women
02-07-2014 , 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter
Married too
So?

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02-07-2014 , 01:45 AM
Pics of wife...?
02-07-2014 , 01:45 AM
Neckbeards united ITT
02-07-2014 , 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter
I am suggesting that having 80% of readings being specifically about wife beating in an "Interpersonal Violence" class is her shoving her agenda/beliefs down the throats of students.
Reality has a well-known feminist bias.

If a fair and objective professor were teaching the class, what percentage of readings would be specifically about wife-beating?
02-07-2014 , 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
What kind of grad program forces you to take electives like that? Something doesn't check out.
I'm curious what master's degree he's pursuing. Master of Female Studies? Criminal Justice?
02-07-2014 , 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter
First, check out stuff about underreporting by men, norms regarding women hitting/pushing men, publishing bias within the field, same-sex couple violence, etc etc etc. There's plenty of info out there, much from valid sources, and all easy to find. I not suggesting one abuses the other X% more often; I am suggesting that having 80% of readings being specifically about wife beating in an "Interpersonal Violence" class is her shoving her agenda/beliefs down the throats of students.

Last edited by MidyMat; 02-07-2014 at 08:32 AM. Reason: Do you really think, She'll pull through?
02-07-2014 , 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by omnishakira
Anyway i think you are very sexist toward women, can you ****ing stop thinking theyre some kind of little defenseless child that is incapable of anything if not massively helped and supported ?
Oh! The Judo move! Turns out the *real* feminist is the guy who's afraid to attend a class full of women!
02-07-2014 , 11:37 AM
“Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat. Women often have to flee from the only homes they have ever known. Women are often the refugees from conflict and sometimes, more frequently in today's warfare, victims. Women are often left with the responsibility, alone, of raising the children.” -Hillary Clinton

This sums up the feminist mindset pretty well
02-07-2014 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by omnishakira
cuz all violence = murders right. and since 75% of murders are by men*, it surely is the same for physical and psychological violence right
I just listed murders as an easy demonstrable statistic that can't be unreported that shows a clear distinction between men and women.

You can go to any site and look at stats and find that even while acknowledging that men underreport their abuse, they all believe that men are still more violent towards women then the reverse.

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I dont know the number but i bet theyre not nearly as far apart as most people think esp once u include psychological abuse which can easily be as devastating as physical violence. And its not like its a contest of whos the biggest victims here but maybe why is that
Well rathar then just making a hunch and betting that you're right, you could actually look it up. Because at the moment you're stating that you doubt the actual known evidence just because you say so. You'll understand that's not very compelling.

I find it odd that people are even questioning that in what has been historically a predominantly patriarchal society, whose primary religion also teaches that women are subservient to men would question that there has been higher levels of violence against women by men then the reverse.
02-07-2014 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by sputnik3000
“Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat. Women often have to flee from the only homes they have ever known. Women are often the refugees from conflict and sometimes, more frequently in today's warfare, victims. Women are often left with the responsibility, alone, of raising the children.” -Hillary Clinton

This sums up the feminist mindset pretty well
The next thing they're going to point out is that all throughout history women have been seen as plunder. They're going to suggest that if you look around the world you can find women systematically being raped.

That's just the mindset of feminists! Right?!?
02-07-2014 , 12:57 PM
Man, I think I understand the racists more than I get the folks so clearly threatened by women in this thread. What's so scary about admitting that women are the victims of abuse? Is there some slippery slope here I'm not getting? Is it just that the word "feminist" scares you?
02-07-2014 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by sputnik3000
“Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat. Women often have to flee from the only homes they have ever known. Women are often the refugees from conflict and sometimes, more frequently in today's warfare, victims. Women are often left with the responsibility, alone, of raising the children.” -Hillary Clinton

This sums up the feminist mindset pretty well
LOL

wow

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Oh! The Judo move! Turns out the *real* feminist is the guy who's afraid to attend a class full of women!
ikr its weird and thanks for modifying what i said to make it more shocking.

Last edited by omnishakira; 02-07-2014 at 01:24 PM.
02-07-2014 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Dids
Man, I think I understand the racists more than I get the folks so clearly threatened by women in this thread. What's so scary about admitting that women are the victims of abuse? Is there some slippery slope here I'm not getting? Is it just that the word "feminist" scares you?
you understand people who are violent/hateful toward a human being because of the color of their skin or their different culture more than some1 whos willing to say that theres way more men victim of abuse than we think because at no place i ever said that there wasnt women victim of abuse

that says a lot about you, youre a disgusting being

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Originally Posted by kurto
Well rathar then just making a hunch and betting that you're right, you could actually look it up. Because at the moment you're stating that you doubt the actual known evidence just because you say so. You'll understand that's not very compelling.

I find it odd that people are even questioning that in what has been historically a predominantly patriarchal society, whose primary religion also teaches that women are subservient to men would question that there has been higher levels of violence against women by men then the reverse.
i did and looks like it might be true and im not talking about the 18th century im talking about today

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02-07-2014 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by kurto
The next thing they're going to point out is that all throughout history women have been seen as plunder. They're going to suggest that if you look around the world you can find women systematically being raped.

That's just the mindset of feminists! Right?!?
That actually sums it up pretty well.

My view would be to point out that through the ages people have suffered. Men has been treated like replaceable pawns and women as plunder. People are systematically killed and raped around the world.

Unlike you i dont view it as a competition in suffering between the sexes.
02-07-2014 , 02:19 PM
When youre at the point where even when men go into bloody war to get traumatised forever and butchered, women are still the biggest victims, i think its fair to say that you'll never get anywhere with that type of person

When the husband or son dies during the war, the woman at home is the victim. Standard 21th century thinking process
02-07-2014 , 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by omnishakira
LOL

wow



ikr its weird and thanks for modifying what i said to make it more shocking.
I didn't modify a thing, you lying sack of ****.
02-07-2014 , 03:12 PM
You might think sputnik would take one second, before his big victory lap/one woman said this therefore all women believe it nonsense, he might take one second to look up the roots of that completely out of context quote.

Because otherwise he might look like a complete idiot when someone bothered to look up the speech in question, the background surrounding it, the other sentences around those cherry picked lines, etc. Might just look like a very large idiot indeed.
02-07-2014 , 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Roonil Wazlib
You might think sputnik would take one second, before his big victory lap/one woman said this therefore all women believe it nonsense, he might take one second to look up the roots of that completely out of context quote.

Because otherwise he might look like a complete idiot when someone bothered to look up the speech in question, the background surrounding it, the other sentences around those cherry picked lines, etc. Might just look like a very large idiot indeed.
"Women have always been the primary victims of war"

I never said that all women believe that, i just said that the quote was very representative how the mindset of feminists work.

Unless ofc you think that feminist=woman
02-07-2014 , 04:26 PM
If you're randomly bolding words like an idiot, why not go hog wild and just bold "Women... Always... Victims?"

We can make others say anything we want if we ignore the other words they say.
02-07-2014 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by omnishakira
i did and looks like it might be true and im not talking about the 18th century im talking about today
obvious this is going over your head. I'm not talking about the 18th century. You realize that women weren't allowed to vote in this country until 1920. That women weren't really allowed into many occupations until really after WWII.

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Entry of women into the higher professions like law and medicine was delayed in most countries due to women being denied entry to universities and qualification for degrees; for example, Cambridge University only fully validated degrees for women late in 1947, and even then only after much opposition and acrimonious debate.[1]
There are people who still preach to this day the proper role of a women is in the home.

If you don't get that just because we're more liberal today with respect to women then we were 200 years ago doesn't mean that it is an even playing field and that there are no effects of our long cultural history of treating women as inferior to men. Similarly, just because a lot of people are not as racist as a few generations ago doesn't mean that there isn't systematic racism.
02-07-2014 , 04:30 PM
So much to say...thx for spirited comments. I'll try to get some of the material I found while researching and post them for comments. Currently am on my phone.

FWIW I'm in my last semester of a masters in social work program.

And I enjoy being contrary, fellow students/teachers know this. Twice been pressed to pursue a PhD by profs and a few students actually cheered this semester when I walked in on day 1. I do my thing sensitively, people know I just enjoy a spirited debate.

To clarify: I'm not suggesting women being beaten isn't a problem related to IPV; not even saying it isn't the primary problem. But IPV is categorically broad...my issue is with profs tunnel vision, as well as with ways authors of readings seemingly distort the truth to fit their agenda. AgaIn I'll post readings etc later.

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