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Fact, feminist theory, or...? Fact, feminist theory, or...?

02-06-2014 , 02:08 PM
http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/inti...measuring.aspx

I'm taking an interpersonal violence class and my professor is a proudly feminist. I'm the only dude in a class full of women. I'm (in)famous in my program for being contrarian and instigating debates.

In this class the professor assigns readings which very often are about women being victimized by men in domestic abuse situations. I wrote a response with the clear intention of calling bias just to stir things up, but when I looked there was a wealth of info about public distortion due to various factors (law enforcement not taking seriously males claiming victim, social norms allowing for women to push/slap/hit men, publication bias and huge contingent of overtly feminist researchers aiming to prove the norm at all costs, etc.) and lots of confounding research on the topic.

Anyway, wrote a response 5x the minimum length and am going to class armed for a battle. Anyone have knowledge or opinions about this? Think the above link presents things as unbiasedly as possible but I could be wrong. I'm interested to hear any/all opinions.

PS-Links to supporting evidence would be particularly appreciated.
02-06-2014 , 02:56 PM
i would have quit this class the second i knew my teacher was a feminist since the subject will clearly goes in conflict with her mentality. even more true if i saw that there was only women i mean this class is clearly a circlejerking feminist party

that being said, abused men dont report nearly as much due to shame and have next to no ressources when they do. Also, a woman hitting a man is way more accepted than the opposite so I would guess that the violence line is easier to cross when ur a man. Ive also heard that women are more violent toward their kids than men esp when the kid is a boy but when i tried to find evidence, all i found was ****ing spanking fetish website and pictures
02-06-2014 , 03:04 PM
Its funny yesterday I read an article about women suicide increase and why is that and blablabla. They also said that maybe they neglected women compared to men. funny, at the end of the article, you had a graph with suicide rates and men rate was sooooo much higher than women

that sum up well our society
02-06-2014 , 03:32 PM
You all sound like enormous pussies.
02-06-2014 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by omnishakira
Its funny yesterday I read an article about women suicide increase and why is that and blablabla. They also said that maybe they neglected women compared to men. funny, at the end of the article, you had a graph with suicide rates and men rate was sooooo much higher than women

that sum up well our society
Graph would be reversed if it were suicide attempts instead of successful completion.
02-06-2014 , 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Terry "Hulk" Hogan
You all sound like enormous pussies.
Wow, I never expected such insulting behavior from you. You're not my hero anymore.
02-06-2014 , 05:20 PM
Was thinking of actually typing out a reasoned response to this but am just gonna save myself the aggravation and call you an idiot.
02-06-2014 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by jmakinmecrzy
Was thinking of actually typing out a reasoned response to this but am just gonna save myself the aggravation and call you an idiot.
Please rethink that decision.
02-06-2014 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter Porker
Wow, I never expected such insulting behavior from you. You're not my hero anymore.
Listen little brother, there may have been some colorful language in that post, but that's because the Hulkster can't stand kids who are disruptive in class. Respect your teachers, respect women, stay in school, and drink plenty of water --that's how you can succeed.
02-06-2014 , 05:45 PM
While no doubt there are women abusing men, I question the point of you stirring the pot. The abuse on women is several times higher then the reverse. Of all spouses killed by their partners, 3 out of 4 cases are women murdered by men.

You arguing about bias here is the equivalent of a white male taking a class on the history of civil rights in america complaining about racial bias against white people.
02-06-2014 , 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by kurto
While no doubt there are women abusing men, I question the point of you stirring the pot. The abuse on women is several times higher then the reverse. Of all spouses killed by their partners, 3 out of 4 cases are women murdered by men.

You arguing about bias here is the equivalent of a white male taking a class on the history of civil rights in america complaining about racial bias against white people.
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02-06-2014 , 05:54 PM
tough to understand the big picture, but a class about interpersonal violence should cover issues relating to men and women wrt IV. Sexual assault goes under-reported for women and men, and discussing reasons for both is not a bad thing. If the professor never bothers bringing up men as victims, then that seems like a disservice to every feminist out there.
02-06-2014 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by kurto
While no doubt there are women abusing men, I question the point of you stirring the pot. The abuse on women is several times higher then the reverse. Of all spouses killed by their partners, 3 out of 4 cases are women murdered by men.

You arguing about bias here is the equivalent of a white male taking a class on the history of civil rights in america complaining about racial bias against white people.
First, check out stuff about underreporting by men, norms regarding women hitting/pushing men, publishing bias within the field, same-sex couple violence, etc etc etc. There's plenty of info out there, much from valid sources, and all easy to find. I not suggesting one abuses the other X% more often; I am suggesting that having 80% of readings being specifically about wife beating in an "Interpersonal Violence" class is her shoving her agenda/beliefs down the throats of students.

And discussing racial bias negatively affecting White people in a civil rights class, if handled sensitively, is 100% appropriate.
02-06-2014 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter
First, check out stuff about underreporting by men, norms regarding women hitting/pushing men, publishing bias within the field, same-sex couple violence, etc etc etc. There's plenty of info out there, much from valid sources, and all easy to find. I not suggesting one abuses the other X% more often; I am suggesting that having 80% of readings being specifically about wife beating in an "Interpersonal Violence" class is her shoving her agenda/beliefs down the throats of students.

And discussing racial bias negatively affecting White people in a civil rights class, if handled sensitively, is 100% appropriate.
Just about any site that acknowledges the issue of violence against men will both admit that it is under reported and still conclude the majority of violence is wielded against women.

You may forget that not to long ago it was considered normal that men were in charge, women were subservient and that hitting your wife was perfectly acceptable. Since you're taking this in school I'm going to guess that you're young and perhaps lack real world experience in this area. Not only in your personal life but even in the changes of men/women's roles (and how they could be treated) has been in this country. (and if you go outside this country, in many places, its much worse.)
02-06-2014 , 06:29 PM
Hard to underreport deaths yo.

Also I doubt your ability to bring this kind of thing up sensitively. Call it a hunch.
02-06-2014 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by kurto
While no doubt there are women abusing men, I question the point of you stirring the pot. The abuse on women is several times higher then the reverse. Of all spouses killed by their partners, 3 out of 4 cases are women murdered by men.
cuz all violence = murders right. and since 75% of murders are by men*, it surely is the same for physical and psychological violence right

I dont know the number but i bet theyre not nearly as far apart as most people think esp once u include psychological abuse which can easily be as devastating as physical violence. And its not like its a contest of whos the biggest victims here but maybe why is that

Last edited by omnishakira; 02-06-2014 at 07:05 PM. Reason: *assuming this number is correct
02-06-2014 , 07:23 PM
This doesn't seem like a very good way to get laid, OP. I think you need to re-asses your college priorities.
02-06-2014 , 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
This doesn't seem like a very good way to get laid, OP. I think you need to re-asses your college priorities.
Grad school. Married too tho so irrelevant.
02-06-2014 , 08:52 PM
This doesn't seem like a very good way to get threesomes with your wife, OP. I think you need to re-asses your college priorities.
02-06-2014 , 09:29 PM
OP,

I'd ask you to examine your motivations for the approach you're taking here. While you have a point that crimes against men are under-reported, how productive do you think the discussion you're provoking is going to be? You're going in "ready for battle" and "looking to stir things up." Is that a mentality that often leads to people actually engaging, and perhaps reconsidering their opinions?

Think about the tone you will strike in the class, and recognize that your position as the only man may cause the other students to find your own position to be a biased one. At best I think they would call you provocative. At worst, you are a troll.

Think carefully about what you might actually like to accomplish here, and whether "stirring things up" is as worthwhile as you propose. If you actually care about under-reported violence against men, you would probably do better to strike a tone that does not minimize the level of violence directed towards women.
02-06-2014 , 10:02 PM
Is your wife hitting you, OP?
02-06-2014 , 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter
I'm taking an interpersonal violence class and my professor is a proudly feminist. I'm the only dude in a class full of women. I'm (in)famous in my program for being contrarian and instigating debates.

PS-Links to supporting evidence would be particularly appreciated.
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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter
Grad school. Married too tho so irrelevant.

1) 95% of your fellow students hate you. They talk about you behind your back, they make fun of you for being stupid and socially awkward.

2) They talk about your wife, too.

So my advice for this here situation you've created is to grow the **** up.
02-06-2014 , 10:36 PM
What kind of grad program forces you to take electives like that? Something doesn't check out.
02-06-2014 , 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by omnishakira
cuz all violence = murders right. and since 75% of murders are by men*, it surely is the same for physical and psychological violence right

I dont know the number but i bet theyre not nearly as far apart as most people think esp once u include psychological abuse which can easily be as devastating as physical violence. And its not like its a contest of whos the biggest victims here but maybe why is that
Geez you're stupid. What a whiny, bitch-ass strawman this post is.
02-06-2014 , 11:19 PM
Spankfucious says pick your battles or they may pick you.

      
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