not that it's this forum, but I did point out this thread in ATF a little while ago. No one seemed to care.

So what kind of blatant bigoted speech is okay? Because the answer clearly isn't "none."

re: Good threads - Climate Change Unchained has legitimate discussion about the issue including legitimacy of the topic, the value of cap and trade, etc. The primary difference between this version and the one that would be in the regular politics forum is that there is more discussion on the conspiracy theory side of it - ie- its all a scam to make Gore rich.

Also note- I though one of the other reasons that his forum was wanted is that some of the people who had unpopular ideas involving race would claim that they couldn't make their arguments clearly because they would be auto-banned for suggesting anything slightly controversial in the other forum. This forum was their place to try to make an argument that their ideas in fact weren't racist. I wouldn't say they succeeded but they would argue that this forum is the only way they could get a fair shake at presenting their ideas.

It is supposed to be an unchained political forum. The gimmicks usually aren't posting on topic and just the equivalent to spam. When I thought of an unchained political forum I expected highly charged arguing, not MissileDog and gang mindlessly spamming the place to the point it becomes unreadable.

This thread is. Def one of the top ten most worthwhile PU threads.

that thread is in a different forum and i never saw it. bump the atf thread if you want to talk more about it.

for the purpose of this discussion there's nothing left for me to say until i am given specific examples of what people think is unacceptable. and, more importantly for those who want the forum to remain open, examples of why the forum is valuable.

does this count?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/se...duser&u=337714

Roonil, I'm asking you a question, you dont have to answer but I would appreciate if you do

I get that you're trying to ask a question, I'm just not able to interpret what you're saying without some sort of decoder ring.

I asked a very simply question, here I will do it again(not trying to be offensive)

Are you against anti Semitism, Islamophobia, racism and bigotry?

This:

Is not a very simple question. It's a smoking heap of word wreckage.

But yes, I feel this forum would be better served by not playing host to those things, and I also don't support them in my personal life.

More like sociopath who uses bigotry for provocation, less like political racism. That poster is just looking for abuse, doesn't matter if given or received.

Of course, another way to look at the issue of Alta/Baja Politaria is to discuss if there are any rules over in Alta Politardia that could be tweeked or relaxed to make Baja Politardia obsolete. I've summarized those rules below...

1. Attack the argument, not the arguer. This includes calling a user a troll, or announcing that you have or are putting someone on ignore...

2. Don't be a troll.

3. Don't post conspiracy theories or other unsupported hyperbole... Birther posts will result in a permaban.

4. No broad-brush attacks on opposing political parties or ideologies

5. No calling for a thread to be locked or for other moderation...

6. Keep posts substantive, particularly new threads...

7. Site-wide rules apply here, as everywhere...

[8.] The "U mad" meme = no longer welcome.

[9.] ... no discussion of guns... in the monthly LC threads...

[10.] ... Unsupported accusations of hypocrisy are no longer welcome in this forum...

I got some ideas here... but first let's see if everyone is over whining about literally nothing... and if anyone actually wants to discuss the theory and practice of these two experiments... Alta and Baja Politarias.

Roonil , you dont have to be against the 4 examples I listed, for example you could be against one but for the other. you have said the following irt PU in this thread,

If the sole aim of attracting "traffic" is cause to let every racist, bigot, misogynist, and general troll on the internet have free reign to spout off bigotry, why stop at just having a faux-politics cesspool?


In another thread you said in some fashion, that your against Antisemitism. So knowing this I simply wanted to get further clarification from you when I asked Are you against anti Semitism, Islamophobia, racism and bigotry?


Thanks for answering

What?

Do you see how reading the things you write can be confusing? Double or triple negative and all.

That was a typo, which is why I edited the mistake.

Ok, didn't know if you were trying some sort of verbal ninjitsu or something

The various 'tragic death of anarchy' are some good threads, in my opinion but isn't asking which threads are worthwhile is kind of pointless because mileage is going to vary.

Speaking of anarchy abuse I really enjoyed being accused of being an internet government propagandists almost as much as being accused of being brainwashed. I think there is value in confronting the politics of crap like that.

If conspiracy theories and fearful political extremism go unmentionable, then they cannot be disputed, dispelled, or corrected. That stuff doesn't fit in the pol forum with moderated standards, but it's not going to just go away because a mod will ban you for it.

I mean, I reported posts from a Holocaust denier, and that wasn't deleted or otherwise punished. But hey, if "The Holocaust was grossly exaggerated as part of a grand Jewish conspiracy" is acceptable discussion here, then ugh.

I need to find out who really did 9/11.

I don't even agree with a lot of these....

If you have people like Silverman who are disgusting reprehensible people who may very well just be trolling to get attention, it would seem that this is appropriate to point out, no?

How do you distinguish tin-foil hats from relevent conspiracy theories? That is, if a sustantial amount of Americans thought Birther theories were valid, it would seem they are relevent to discuss. We shouldn't ignore influential and significantly believed conspiracy theories just because most of us would agree that they're dumb.

This will end the forum.

The posters making all the crazy, conspiritard, and racist/misogynistic **** only post here because there are so many damn people willing to argue with them.

I think this forum makes regular politards better, quarantining some of the AIDS. Hey, if people want to argue with Silverman, Deuces, Thekid45, ShaneG, let them do that **** in here.

Maybe that isn't the intention Mat had for this place, he probably thought it might be fun.

I think it should stay, the who are the bad posters type threads are good, too.

Roonil, what were your previous 2p2 usernames?

Apparently LirvA, David Sklansky, Missile Dog, and... I forget the other one.

What did I do to warrant making your list?

i mean that's a lot more lax than the regular forum. like if those are literally the only two rules, the two forums aren't even comparable.