Glad that the "Welfare..." thread theme has made its way over here from our sister forum, and likewise I'm glad that it's got more life and activity than the other one.

Haven't read everything yet, but look forward to getting caught up on on the latest rendition of Frother's Theory; that the sudden removal of SNAP will allow the tens of millions of our nation's poorest tens to recognize that their real problem is they didn't have incentive to work and provide for themselves.

I also look forward to other things, like hearing conservatives drone on about curbing spending, specifically using magic math calculations which show how social welfare reform is one of the best ways to cut back and save. Good times, and let the games begin.

The corrupt elitists and con-men in the government love dimwits like you. If it wasn't for people like you then they wouldn't be able to get away with all their corrupt bull **** and money laundering that they so easily get away with.

It's a shame you didn't go with the "all politicians are sociopaths" shtick before you tarred yourself with the "racist nonhandwasher" label. You'd be a much more interesting poster.

This guy never disappoints.

If you have the required testicular fortitude, please cease the s**t slinging long enough to 1) articulate why it is we should end SNAP and 2) what it is we should have in place instead (if anything). Unless you're trying to come across like a rambling halfwit jacka**, please opt to show some work. Thanks.

It's not their money...

Articulate enough for you? Anything you aren't understanding there???

I mean you seem like a smart guy, you take feminist classes where I am sure you are going to learn amazing stuff and real life skills in that class that will last a life time and benefit in many different aspects of life........but do I need to elaborate anymore on....... It's not their money???

Of course it's their money. They took it from you, and there's not a god damn thing you can do about it because you're a nobody. No one cares about your opinions. You have nothing valuable to add other than your marginal utility as a tax payer. That is your role in life. You should be thankful you're granted the freedom to bitch about it.

Read through the thread, and SHOCKER...the intensely opinionated Silverman has not one substantiated claim. Not one shred of evidence backing anything up he says. The irony of it all? A reliance on a "common sense" which seems not very common at all...

LETS GO TO THE HIGHLIGHT REEL!

No my special little friend, that is what we in the business call an opinion. I have a feeling you wouldn't recognize a fact even if one defecated all over your mom's foreclosed trailer.

Pop quiz: Fact or opinion?

Pop quiz: Fact, opinion, or the inane and paranoid ramblings of a weak-minded mouth breather?

First of all, you don't have any friends. Not even one. Let's just be honest about that for a second.

Now with that out of the way, uhhhhhh what? So you are admitting the "federal cluster****" helps millions and millions of people? Maybe I'm misunderstanding you. And what does the intelligence of those being helped (the "idiots") have to do with anything?

If by "the points" you mean the unsubstantiated claims made by the local fringe ideologist, and by "can't argue" you mean "can argue but choose to point and laugh instead," then yeah that first part is about right.

The second part is clear evidence of the delusional world you live in. I don't know how else you could possibly explain how it is you believe anything you have to say even remotely resembles "common sense". I mean how many Americans do you think actually share your beliefs?

I guess expecting an understanding of 'common sense' from someone who can't differentiate fact from opinion is asking a lot.

What are the odds that Silverman took a shining to this lolbertarian balderdash as a way to shift the blame from his idyllic mother who over extended on her home and onto the big bad Govt and their taxes? Much easier to hate the man than hold mom accountable, right?

But don't worry, I won't effortlessly corner you by reminding you that when she bought the house she was fully aware that taxes would be owed, and that it wasn't as if suddenly the big bad tax man materialized 10 years after purchasing her home and demanded payment.

Question: What makes your mom a victim of circumstance, and everyone else inherently degenerate and/or derelict?

Answer: IT'S A TRICK QUESTION! Maybe you could pull your head out of your a** long enough to educate yourself on what the fundamental attribution error is. Maybe.

Are you familiar with how taxes work? So Americans pay some percentage of their income to the Government in the form of taxes. These funds are then pooled and allocated for different purposes, some of which for SNAP. Those funds then are used by poor people to buy food.

In other words: Money you pay in taxes don't suddenly become yours again just because you don't like paying them. Once you pay taxes, that money is no longer yours.

Here are your options:

1. Persuade a healthy majority of the 99.99% of Americans who agree with the morality of taxation that taxation is, in fact, immoral, and that on these grounds it shouldn't occur any longer.

2. Move.

3. Pay begrudgingly.

But don't try and convince me that money you pay in taxes is still yours because it isn't. I hope even you aren't dumb enough to believe otherwise.

LOL how many strawmen have you created with this post ? There's no doubt that curbing wasteful fed govt spending is a huge plus for the social safety net.

How do you reconcile these? Is it that those 5 million desperate people (your estimate) aren't friends and family so you don't care?
I'm curious which of the following you think is closer to the truth:
a) most people are not like you - they actually have the capacity to care about the suffering of others outside their immediate circle of friends and family
b) most people are like you but don't have the balls to admit it

Says the guy in some feminist class with all chicks and running to the 2+2 forum to start a thread on how to argue in some worthless class. (other than there being tons of chicks in it)

Oh, you are married? Would love to see what she looks like... I bet she's a 10...

More than welcome to FB me and view plenty of pictures with me and all my friends and even a good amount of sloots too Or maybe I'll take pics of the blonde bombshell thats coming out to visit me in 2 weekends to go to Spring Training and get weird...and send them to you.

But hey... keep arguing like a champ in that worthless women's studies class...I'm sure the chicks think you are sooooo smart.

I'll play along and assume you're truly incapable of understanding the points I'm making. This is becoming a common trend with the conservative contingent here at 2+2. Strangely, moderate and liberal posters don't seem to have this trouble, even when I'm posting about issues they don't necessarily agree with me on. If my growing sample of personal experience here reflects a more general trend, then you can go ahead and form your own conclusions about what this might mean about you and those of like mind...

Regardless, we can make this easier for you and yours to understand. Let's pretend your best friend had a serious spending problem and was amassing tons of debt. You notice he has bought two brand new cars in the last year, eats out at lavish restaurants daily, has so many designer watches that there are some he hasn't even worn months/years after purchasing them, etc etc. You tell him his priority needs to be turning off the lights at night to cut back on his electric bill.

"But cutting wasteful spending is a huge plus!"

Why are you so fixated on my being in "some feminist class"? Just wondering what it is about it that interests you so much.

And it's actually very sad that the one remark, out of a very long and detailed refutation, that you isolate and respond to is my flip comment about you being friendless. I doubt you understand what makes that sad, but regardless I just thought I'd point it out.

But dude, why rely on my imagination when I can actually put a face to a name and see how many teeth you still have, or can identify which rural county in the southeast you live in! FB works, or you could post pics or something, don't be bashful!

I don't care about the feminist class, do what you want. I was just pointing out that you are for some reason attacking me about friends.....but at the same time your in some feminist class and running to 2+2 to post a thread to get some arguments about a BS class to begin with...

So I am pretty confident in deducing that you probably aren't that fun to be around or have much of a personality at all.

As far as the teeth comment, looks like we have a stereotyper? eeeek...

If I was from the Southeast........so what? Who cares? Do you look down on people from the Southeast? Do you look down on people from rural areas??? Are you an entitled prick in your stupid women's studies class? Coming in here posting a thread trying to be all intellectual in some lesser than worthless class?

But no I am not from the Southeast, and I am still pretty young, and I grew up in a small town about 25 mins north of Chicago on Lake Michigan, called Kenilworth. Which just happens to be the second wealthiest town in America.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenilworth,_Illinois

"""In January 2011, Forbes.com ranked Kenilworth as the second most affluent neighborhood in the United States, naming it "the most exclusive neighborhood in the Midwest, with estimated median household income of $247,000. Even after the housing slump the average house in Kenilworth sells for about $1 million."""

Sorrrrrry....not white trash from bama

Cool story bro, you're wealthy. That's just great. I'm really shocked that a wealthy white guy happens to buy into libertarianism, THAT NEVER HAPPENS. Weird, it's almost as if you fell right into that one eh? And nice comeback about me being the one who REALLY has no friends, you got me there.

But how about we stop f***ing around with the nonsense and get back to the vast majority of my content re: entitlements. Care to respond to my scathing review of all your blathering, or would you rather stick to my BS which merely was intended to get a rise out of you / laugh out of others?

Just wondering if you had anything meaningful to contribute.

I'm not wealthy by any stretch. I'm from there and grew up there.

Not saying you don't have friends. I said it fairly easy to tell you have little personality. And the fact that you are trying to get a rise out of me or make others laugh on an internet forum, kinda proves your as lame as you seem.

What is there to reply to in your post?

The people buying food on food stamps are buying it with money that is not theirs. There is nothing else to elaborate on your initial question, of why we should end SNAP.

It's not their money.

Gotcha, you're just an average Joe kind of guy. All that business about being from the wealthiest neighborhood in the nation, feeling it was important enough to be the ONLY THING you bother citing out of all the outlandish BS you have claimed in this thread, all that is just some weird thing that happened. It wasn't at all indicative in any way of your SES. Oh, and also I'm really lame. I understand now.

Are you done yet? Try and get it out of your system in the next few posts. I hope tomorrow, when I'm bored at my internship and inevitably cruise on over here to 2+2, that I discover you've found your balls and have gotten back on topic. This weak sauce diversion tactic is as cheap as it is transparent.

Assuming you know how to read, you'll see above that the "It's not their money" trash has been dealt with. You'll have to do better than that.

Again, 1) rediscover balls, and 2) try again with this tax business and take a swing at other content yet to be dealt with.

Thanks.

I am an average joe kind of guy.

You said...because of my name... that I probably have no teeth and live in a rural town or in the South East. So I responded and showed you where I am from. You brought it up jagoff.

And what is wrong with living in the SE or in a rural area? You think you are better than people in rural areas or in the Southeast? In your flaming women's studies class arguing useless crap? And going on to 2+2 to get feedback, so you can better argue that worthless crap like a little ****?

Taxation is fine...small responsible government. Not the ****ing corrupt wasting, frauding, cluster**** we have nothing.

Confiscating with threat of jail and giving to others is morally wrong, and even if those confiscating and re-distributing have good intentions it is still morally wrong. But we all know no politician actually cares about the unwashed masses and it is a rouse to get more money for themselves and self serving interests is what they care about.

The debt is 17 trillion. We are broke. We are printing money. entitlements up the ass, defense spending up the ass. This all ends bad.

Create dependency, own and control people's lives, huge gigantic government.

This is all crap. Stick to the constitution not all this collective bull ****.

LOL another strawman as people are more than capable of understanding whatever trite and trivial points you make.

Another one.

Another one. You still haven't made a point yet.

Another strawman without making a point yet.

So your finally going to make a point?

Somehow I am getting the impression your going to get real stupid here and make a point with one sentence. We'll see.

LOL wat? There is no doubt that the federal govt borrows from the SS and Medicare trust funds every year (you know part of the social safety net ) and replaces these funds with non marketable securities (only payable to the fed govt). So the govt borrows money from themselves which in effect makes these programs pay as you go. As an exercise you should review how the fed govt accounting for these programs works. It should be patently obvious that since mandatory spending (these programs as well as Medicaid ) constitutes 2/3 of federal spending cutting wasteful spending is key to their viability. The viability of programs like SNAP are also affected greatly by federal govt spending for obvious reasons. Oh yeah and please indicate where in my post I stated specifically that SNAP needed to be cut?

My assessment of your post is that you really weren't interested in any discussion, you just wanted to take a gratuitous shot at me while making a trivial point stupidly. Standard libtard in action, got it.

The guy is an ignorant libtard.

Btw there are other states that your mom would probably be more comfortable living in. Yeah moving is expensive and all but she does have a choice. I live in WA which is more liberal population wise, conservative area wise. So liberal politics are more dominant. However, WA has a consumption tax with no state income tax. The financial health of the state seems to be fine. Texas and Florida are a couple of other states that don't have a state income tax. Sometimes it is time to pick up and move. Not an easy thing but that's life.

I Bro you hook line & sinkered the "assumption" I made, exposing what tends to be true of the lolbertarian demographic;
White men of high SES. If you bothered to read what others say you'd notice I explained this already.

Woah wait, was that another reference to my women's studies / feminism courses? Can't stop yourself, can you?




Feels like you revert back to your broken tape recorder tactics when you've got no refutes left. We've all heard this vague nonsensical blather from you ITT already, verbatim in some instances. Is this all you got?




1. Calling my opponent stupid, regardless of my word choice or style in doing so, is ad hominum if anything. I'm not pretending his IQ is the real debate here, I'm just trying to discredit him. Try to not throw out fancy words to compensate for weak grammar and writing skills, you're not fooling anyone.

2. My dumbed down analogy still went right over your head. Sorry, but I wasn't talking about funds being borrowed from Medicare by the Govt, or most other things you soap boxed about. Again...just not much brain power I guess.

Remember when you said I probably live in the Southeast or in some rural area?

Effectively saying, that you are better from people down there?

When you are just a boring no personality little tool and nerd.

Haven't been called a nerd by someone not joking since middle school, wow. That just happened, lol.

And seriously, read what other people write to avoid embarassments like this whole southeast tangent.