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02-23-2014 , 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
I wonder if he's even aware that our existing safety nets are already available to him should he ever need them.
Which is equal to a qualifiable minimum income. It exists!
02-23-2014 , 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by AlexM
It means that if a minimum income were implemented that it would apply to everybody.
Yeaaaaaah?

I get that...but how do you get a minimum income? Like........where does the money come from???????????????????? Who are we FORCINGGGGG to give money up for someone else's minimum income so they can get...............

..................FREE METH

Last edited by Silver_Man2; 02-23-2014 at 11:20 PM.
02-23-2014 , 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Silver_Man2
Yeaaaaaah?

I get that...but how do you get a minimum income? Like........where does the money come from???????????????????? Who are we FORCINGGGGG to give money up for someone else's minimum income so they can get...............

..................FREE METH
The money ultimately comes from the tax payers of course.
02-23-2014 , 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Silver_Man2
Yeaaaaaah?

I get that...but how do you get a minimum income? Like........where does the money come from???????????????????? Who are we FORCINGGGGG to give money up for someone else's minimum income so they can get...............

..................FREE METH
It's us, SM. All the people in the forum who take great joy in repeatedly mocking you. We insist, with guns, that you give up a portion of your income so that the less fortunate may live and also (I know this part confuses you) so that we may all prosper, because a healthy, vibrant economy and society requires it. The people smarter than you (us) understand this. That is why we use guns to make you pay. Because even though you're dumb, we recognize the marginal value you add. Rather than kill you, we'd rather just tax you. For the greater good.

Have a nice day!
02-23-2014 , 11:34 PM
#incredulity
02-23-2014 , 11:35 PM
Incredulous thread guys.
02-23-2014 , 11:42 PM
A credulous thread would be a first for PU.
02-24-2014 , 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by adios
The money ultimately comes from the tax payers of course.
Yes, combined with some sort of extension of a resource based distribution like the Alaska resource payments. Could be administrated a hell of a lot cheaper than the current system and takes away some of the places to logroll in additional spending bloat like the farm bill. Takes away the incentives against earning a marginal dollar embedded in some of our current programs. Possible that it wouldn't work, and there are definitely micro level issues (what do we do when parents waste their income and kids are still hungry/not cared for) but I find the idea intriguing.
02-24-2014 , 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
It's us, SM. All the people in the forum who take great joy in repeatedly mocking you. We insist, with guns, that you give up a portion of your income so that the less fortunate may live and also (I know this part confuses you) so that we may all prosper, because a healthy, vibrant economy and society requires it. The people smarter than you (us) understand this. That is why we use guns to make you pay. Because even though you're dumb, we recognize the marginal value you add. Rather than kill you, we'd rather just tax you. For the greater good.

Have a nice day!
All this crap you just wrote is just a smokescreen to cover up the fact that FORCING people to give up money they earned to others is morally wrong.

What % of the 40 million people on food stamps do you think are ******s?

I mean FORTY MILLLLLLLLLLLLL ON FOOD STAMPS...

You could legit argue to me that maybe 5 million desperately need the food stamps. Ok, I think most people against food stamps would think that is reasonable.

BUT 40 ****ING MILLION? Give me a break.

OH but lets EXPAND IT too GAMBOOL! Frree foodz for all but lets make sure we take a **** on SUV owners windshields, those irresponsible worthless ****s.
02-24-2014 , 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by AlexM
A credulous thread would be a first for PU.
A credulous attitude about the topic is not a shared trait of all participants. We have people still learning that people need to eat in the thread and are also easily baffled by large numbers. It's like they can't believe we feed everybody who needs food and are shocked about who pays for it like it's scandalous. Unchain that **** and let it drop into the abyss.
02-24-2014 , 08:52 AM
Remember, when Silverman insults people by calling them whores or ******s he's just talking about how the evvvvvillll liberal elite view them.

Lol at just randomly making up a 5 million number.

Lol at taxation is teh theft
02-24-2014 , 01:54 PM
Silverman, as the person who probably hates you the least ITT I'd like to give you a suggestion. Instead of bitching about how many people are on food stamps give us a solution on how to best only give food stamps to those who actually need it. Also include what to do with those that are gaming the system. That is what the purpose of this thread is for. I'm not saying you are the only one not responding to the purpose of this thread (since nobody else is either), but this would be a good starting point.

Answers that are better than just bitching about the amount of ppl on stamps include, but are not limited to:

-death penalty for anyone taking food stamps that don't deserve them.

-Come up w/ a definition of who doesn't deserve to be on food stamps. This could be a household income qualifier like any household that makes $x/yr (in unreported cash income or otherwise), anyone that has $x in total assets, or anyone that spends $x/yr on luxury goods (you could then define luxury goods as anything you want (like vacations, alcohol, Christmas decorations, car, etc).

Then set a bounty on everyone's head that is on food stamps. So anyone who reports someone on food stamps who doesn't deserve food stamps gets $x or maybe 50% of the reported person's food stamps for 6 months if they are proven un-deserving of the stamps. The undeserving food stamp takers would then be taken off of food stamps and you could contemplate any other penalty if you'd like.
02-24-2014 , 01:58 PM
Didnt think there could be three ideas worse than silverbugs, but death penalty for foodstamps, a definition of luxury goods including car and Christmas vacations, and some sort of bounty hunting of teh poorz probably get there.
02-24-2014 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
Didnt think there could be three ideas worse than silverbugs, but death penalty for foodstamps, a definition of luxury goods including car and Christmas vacations, and some sort of bounty hunting of teh poorz probably get there.
WTF? Re-read the post. I was saying that those "ideas" are better than just saying "food stamps sucks" which is what silver was saying.

The point of this thread is to come up with ideas to fix entitlement. Not to bitch about entitlement so I made 2 terrible ideas that are better because they fit the purpose of this thread better than just bitching about entitlement.
02-24-2014 , 02:49 PM
No, adding the death penalty for food stamp fraud isnt an improvement on saying food stamps suck.

Silver_man is yet another poster that has managed to not get banned from the adult forum btw. Kudos again on being one of the few racist/horrible enough to earn that honor.
02-24-2014 , 02:58 PM
The only reason SM isn't banned from the main forum is because he never posts there.
02-24-2014 , 02:59 PM
SNAP is awesome. Never cut it. Look at all the stuff I can buy with it!



Those are ice cream cookie sandwiches btw
02-24-2014 , 03:01 PM
Forgot to show the alcohol you traded the excess for LDO.
02-24-2014 , 03:04 PM
02-24-2014 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by adios
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However, the more people we give food stamps to the more people not working. Less workers = lower tax revenues and less workers = slower economic growth which will lead to lower future tax revenues. I'm not saying to cut all food stamps, but cutting the length of how long one can receive benefits would encourage people to look for a job a little quicker and harder.
Let's be real here, people on food stamps generally speaking don't pay a lot of income taxes, probably none when employed.

Cutting waste in govt spending should be high on everybody's list. The safety net is better and more sustainable when it is. Crony capitalism crap like Solyndra, etc. hurts the safety net viability. DOD wasteful spending is just as bad. All the wasteful pork barrel spending is included. Cutting govt wasteful spending is one form of entitlement reform.
Dang, adios had an 'on' day yesterday and I missed it.

Couldn't agree with him more here. I mean, he still had to get that silly Solyndra jab in because Obama is the worst person ever, never mind how much waste Obama manages to cut.

Adios must be cheering the latest calls for shrinking the army along with me.

I would add to bahbah that part of the point of food stamps is to keep people eating, which means they spend money on food, which means stores have to buy more food, which means companies need to hire more people. So food stamps are actually good for keeping employment up, instead of letting it spiral out of control.

As far as cutting food stamps, that would be another way to cut entitlements to corporations: make them pay their employees wages that allow them to buy their own food and stop making the tax payer pick up the difference.
02-24-2014 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Roonil Wazlib
Post all your half-cocked crazy ideas for entitlement reform here.
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
WTF? Re-read the post. I was saying that those "ideas" are better than just saying "food stamps sucks" which is what silver was saying.

The point of this thread is to come up with ideas to fix entitlement.
Bahbah has it figured out!
02-24-2014 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by AlexM
The only reason SM isn't banned from the main forum is because he never posts there.
I'm wookie's bitch on a leash. I can only play here.

I also know that you secretly like me, so your quality of life would go down if I was banned, so I don't go to politics to commit suicide. I think of how my actions would affect others.
02-24-2014 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
Lol at just randomly making up a 5 million number.
lol @ you being open to expanding it...

lol @ you not answering the question of what % of the 40 mil on food stamps you think are ******s.

Last edited by Silver_Man2; 02-24-2014 at 04:00 PM.
02-24-2014 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
Silverman, as the person who probably hates you the least ITT I'd like to give you a suggestion. Instead of bitching about how many people are on food stamps give us a solution on how to best only give food stamps to those who actually need it. Also include what to do with those that are gaming the system. That is what the purpose of this thread is for. I'm not saying you are the only one not responding to the purpose of this thread (since nobody else is either), but this would be a good starting point.

Answers that are better than just bitching about the amount of ppl on stamps include, but are not limited to:

-death penalty for anyone taking food stamps that don't deserve them.

-Come up w/ a definition of who doesn't deserve to be on food stamps. This could be a household income qualifier like any household that makes $x/yr (in unreported cash income or otherwise), anyone that has $x in total assets, or anyone that spends $x/yr on luxury goods (you could then define luxury goods as anything you want (like vacations, alcohol, Christmas decorations, car, etc).

Then set a bounty on everyone's head that is on food stamps. So anyone who reports someone on food stamps who doesn't deserve food stamps gets $x or maybe 50% of the reported person's food stamps for 6 months if they are proven un-deserving of the stamps. The undeserving food stamp takers would then be taken off of food stamps and you could contemplate any other penalty if you'd like.
I don't know what the solution is. But what I do know is that there are far too many people on them, that is a fact.

My beef is that there are actual posters who are open to expanding it when they themselves know far too many are already on food stamps.

Nobody saying, ok 40 mil is enough, let's cap it there. And I could live with them saying that.

Even though they themselves know there is a lot of misuse and abuse and plenty of people who shouldn't be on them to begin with.
02-24-2014 , 04:00 PM
do we have a definition of '******s' for people who don't get silverbug speak?

      
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