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02-22-2014 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
Remember when Silverman told us that he doesn't really think poor people are idiots and pregnant women are sluts and that he isn't racist? That he was just speaking for "how the elites views them". That was fun.

SNAP is like two percent of the budget. It's not causing a systemic fiscal problem. There might be reasons to limit eligibility for SNAP, but it's not a major fiscal issue
Then it should be expanded right?
02-22-2014 , 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by adios
You are gonna be on the scooters too some day.
...and when that time comes, I will trick out my scooter with gun turrets, a cowcatcher, and a candy paint job. I will enter the "Geriatric Gladiators" - brought to you by our sponsor "Gold Bond"


Crossing my fingers, they have hover-scooters and laser rifles when I get old.
02-22-2014 , 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
Remember when Silverman told us that he doesn't really think poor people are idiots and pregnant women are sluts and that he isn't racist? That he was just speaking for "how the elites views them". That was fun.

SNAP is like two percent of the budget. It's not causing a systemic fiscal problem. There might be reasons to limit eligibility for SNAP, but it's not a major fiscal issue
If you are an able-bodied 20-something on food stamps you are a ****** most of the time...

But give the ******s their food.

And there are plenty of them considering like 1 in 7 is on food stamps.

And what does it being 2% of the budget and not causing systemic problems have anything to do with them not being IDIOT ******S?

HOW ABOUT...take all the food that able-bodied 20 something ******s get for free and ship it to other countries and feed people who are in truly destitute situations with absolutely zero opportunity.

Last edited by Silver_Man2; 02-22-2014 at 06:47 PM.
02-22-2014 , 06:56 PM
Lets take away things that make people able-bodied because they are able-bodied, but "******ed"?

Confirmed SM2 just need some Americans to hate.

Who's gonna speak up for the able-bodied 20-something "******s"?
02-22-2014 , 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by adios
Then it should be expanded right?
I didn't say that, but it's not a fiscal catastrophe if it is.
02-22-2014 , 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
I didn't say that, but it's not a fiscal catastrophe if it is.
I know you didn't state that.

Make your choice

1) the program is too lavish cut it back

or

2) leave it alone, it is reaching all the people it can practically reach.

or

3) expand the program it needs to reach more people to achieve social justice
02-22-2014 , 11:08 PM
4) of all the ****ed up **** going on in the world, feeding people really isn't something that should be politicized
02-23-2014 , 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
4) of all the ****ed up **** going on in the world, feeding people really isn't something that should be politicized
That is choice 3 puhleeeze.
02-23-2014 , 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Silver_Man2
ship it to other countries and feed people who are in truly destitute situations with absolutely zero opportunity.
“The U.S. worked hard to create the American dream of opportunity. But today, that dream is a myth.”

Economist Joseph Stiglitz, Financial Times

“U.S. Standard of Living Index Sinks to 10-Month Low; Expectations for future standard of living drops more than current satisfaction” Gallup

Income Inequality in the United States Fuels Pessimism and Threatens Social Cohesion” Center for American Progress.

‘Slipping behind’: Are we becoming a nation of pessimists?” NBC News

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The deeply rooted uncertainty about future economic conditions…has been sustained by the growing recognition that no federal policy has yet emerged that will restore long term economic prosperity anytime soon for the majority of consumers. Optimism about long term job and income prospects are essential for maintaining high levels of economic motivation. Too few consumers have regained that optimism.
What opportunity?

Last edited by yeSpiff; 02-23-2014 at 01:05 AM.
02-23-2014 , 01:00 AM
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02-23-2014 , 05:21 AM
Obama is my Shepherd; I shall not work.
He maketh me to lie about the green job market:
He leadeth me beside the still factories.
He restoreth my sloth:
He leadeth me in the paths of hyping his self-rightousness for Barrack’s name sake.

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the sharing of the wealth,
I will fear no workforce: For thou art funding me;
Thy welfare and thy food stamp, they comfort me.
Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of this bad economy;
Thou annoyest my head with oil prices; My crack pipe runneth over.

Surely ungratefulness and poverty shall follow me all the days of my life,
and I will dwell in the housing of the Obama forever.
02-23-2014 , 06:21 AM
Dear dim0KKKrats: 0berry said there would be some sacrifices. There are swords to fall on and shield to ride home on.

Be good dim0KKKrats and follow your leaders! Ahahahahahahahahahaha.
02-23-2014 , 06:23 AM
Why is $10.10 enough...Why not make it $30.00 or $500.00 per hour....That should Make King Obama and his Court Happy. It will also teach those greedy Capitalist's who's Boss !!!!!
02-23-2014 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by adios
I know you didn't state that.

Make your choice

1) the program is too lavish cut it back

or

2) leave it alone, it is reaching all the people it can practically reach.

or

3) expand the program it needs to reach more people to achieve social justice
The point is that we could do 3 with no real harm to the long term fisc. The debate around food stamps shouldn't revolve around whether we can afford it. Even the worst food stamp dollar we spend probably isn't in the top half of wasted government funds.

I'm more of a minimum income to replace a plethora of programs
guy if we are building safety nets from scratch. The current system has flaws around heat and eat and negative incentives, but the overall spending level doesn't bother me.
02-23-2014 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
The point is that we could do 3 with no real harm to the long term fisc. The debate around food stamps shouldn't revolve around whether we can afford it. Even the worst food stamp dollar we spend probably isn't in the top half of wasted government funds.

I'm more of a minimum income to replace a plethora of programs
guy if we are building safety nets from scratch. The current system has flaws around heat and eat and negative incentives, but the overall spending level doesn't bother me.
This is pretty much 2 but govt could stand to improve its execution of safety net programs probably significantly IE govt has a lot of room for improvement in how it functions.
02-23-2014 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
4) of all the ****ed up **** going on in the world, feeding people really isn't something that should be politicized
As an independent topic, the argument is still the biggest problem with the issue.

People feel entitled to argue against feeding and taking care of people; apparently because arguing gives a chance to call people names and feel superior. Another reason to take the issue out of the "entitlement" frame.
02-23-2014 , 02:20 PM
The honest answer is I don't know if we are reaching all the people we need to.

(To Adios, I quoted the wrong post)
02-23-2014 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool

I'm more of a minimum income to replace a plethora of programs
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Go **** your minimum income. Nobody is guaranteeing a minimum income to small business owners who put up there own money to start a business and will probably take a couple years to be profitable, and that is even if they make it at all.

And now you want to guarantee a minimum income for workers and make it even harder for small businesses to succeed?

WHY ISN"T TEH GOVERNMENT GUARANTEEING a minimum income to the small business owners who take all the risk and put up all the money?
02-23-2014 , 04:24 PM
Yo, Silver_Dip****, a minimum income would apply to everybody. Good lord you're stupid.
02-23-2014 , 06:54 PM
I don't think one person has responded to the OP and actually given some real reform ideas besides a few increase or decrease food stamps in this whole thread.

Those that are saying that this program or that program isn't a huge % of the government budget so we shouldn't worry about it: At what % should we start worrying about it?

It looks like a few of you seem to think increasing food stamps isn't a huge deal because the only money the US govt misses out on is the extra money given away. However, the more people we give food stamps to the more people not working. Less workers = lower tax revenues and less workers = slower economic growth which will lead to lower future tax revenues. I'm not saying to cut all food stamps, but cutting the length of how long one can receive benefits would encourage people to look for a job a little quicker and harder.
02-23-2014 , 07:39 PM
Food stamps <> to unemployment insurance
02-23-2014 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
a minimum income would apply to everybody.
What does this mean?
02-23-2014 , 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Silver_Man2
What does this mean?
It means that if a minimum income were implemented that it would apply to everybody.
02-23-2014 , 09:36 PM
I wonder if he's even aware that our existing safety nets are already available to him should he ever need them.
02-23-2014 , 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
I don't think one person has responded to the OP and actually given some real reform ideas besides a few increase or decrease food stamps in this whole thread.

Those that are saying that this program or that program isn't a huge % of the government budget so we shouldn't worry about it: At what % should we start worrying about it?

It looks like a few of you seem to think increasing food stamps isn't a huge deal because the only money the US govt misses out on is the extra money given away. However, the more people we give food stamps to the more people not working. Less workers = lower tax revenues and less workers = slower economic growth which will lead to lower future tax revenues. I'm not saying to cut all food stamps, but cutting the length of how long one can receive benefits would encourage people to look for a job a little quicker and harder.
Let's be real here, people on food stamps generally speaking don't pay a lot of income taxes, probably none when employed.

Cutting waste in govt spending should be high on everybody's list. The safety net is better and more sustainable when it is. Crony capitalism crap like Solyndra, etc. hurts the safety net viability. DOD wasteful spending is just as bad. All the wasteful pork barrel spending is included. Cutting govt wasteful spending is one form of entitlement reform.

      
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