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The Drones need to stop The Drones need to stop

10-18-2014 , 03:25 PM
http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com...mbers/?lang=en

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Only 4% of drone victims in Pakistan named as al Qaeda members
Headline is misleading, because less than one-third of the victims have been named. Of the named people, 12% were a part of AQ. That's still a terrible figure. It's easy to see why people in the ME hate us when they're literally in fear of these things 24/7.

Sure, it might be "preferable" to drone Terrorist Mc****face in the dick rather than sending in some boots who could be hurt. But that's only a small piece in the larger picture of what happens as a result of this policy.
10-19-2014 , 06:32 AM
I spent the last year stationed at Creech Air Force Base, Nevada, which is where they actually pilot the drones remotely piloted aircraft from.

We got protesters. They wrote this outside my home:



(Note that my home was in Las Vegas. It was not on a military base, nor even near a military base.)

It certainly lacks a bit of nuance, but I appreciate the directness of it, I guess. The hell of it is, I was morally conflicted every goddamn day I went to work. I actually left the Air Force a month ago because I was no longer OK with the wars we are fighting and the way that we are fighting them. But calling someone a murderer isn't likely to win them over to your side, y'know? **** them. Protesting and graffiti-ing insults my neighborhood just so that they can feel righteous.

If they were actually looking to effect change, they should've graffitied stuff to make us military-types think: "A Pakistani child is just as innocent as an American child." "You don't have to keep doing this." "Peace is patriotic." Stuff like that. Not "You kill babies and I hate you." That ain't gonna get it done.


There is literally no reason for me to write this post, other than the fact that these ******s really pissed me off, more so through their incompetence than anything else.


Also, so that I can share what they wrote one block over, near-ish a Starbucks:

Spoiler:


#SconesNotDrones
10-19-2014 , 11:33 AM
Who ever did that discredits the cause for peace and justice. Guilt trips written in chalk, how poetic.
10-19-2014 , 12:07 PM
I wonder what word they changed to "MURDRR".
10-19-2014 , 02:16 PM
MURDRR MOST FWLL!
10-19-2014 , 02:35 PM
Props to you for dropping out of the system, Mayo.
10-20-2014 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnyCrash
America is not making progress they are regressing. A government that isnt accountable to its citizens is not a democracy. It doesnt matter which party is elected, they are both controlled by special interest groups and multi national companies.
While I agree both parties suck, its not like one has sucked more and, more importantly, makes it easier for what you list above to be true.

Was is conservatives or liberals who rallied behind Citizen's United?

Look up organizations that try to restrict lobbying... I'm betting you're going to find they're mostly Democrats... Here's a couple from a cursory search.


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In 1989, Sen. Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.) offered an amendment to an Interior appropriations bill prohibiting the use of government funds by any private entity to influence the award of a federal contract, grant or loan. 17
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he Lobbying and Disclosure Act of 1995 (2 U.S.C. § 1601)

Introduced in the Senate as S. 1060 by Carl Levin (D–MI) on July 21, 1995
Sunlight is advocating for the Lobbyist Disclosure Enhancement Act. Introduced in June by Rep. Mike Quigley, (surprise - he's a Democrat) this legislation would significantly increase public knowledge of influence wielding in Washington. The legislation would require lobbyists to disclose the names of covered executive branch officials or Members of Congress lobbied (or the name of the employer if the lobbyist meets with staff), the dates of the meetings, and the issues discussed. The bill would also close a loophole in who needs to report - a loophole which currently allows some of the most powerful players in Washington to engage in lobbying activities with no disclosure. The bill also significantly speeds disclosure of new registrations, reduces delays in reporting of lobbyists’ contributions, and strengthens enforcement mechanisms.

check out orgs like
Organizations like "Public Citizen" (which are both anti-lobbying and pro-consumer protection laws) - liberal or conservative?

I could keep going but in the few minutes I've looked everything I've found has been legislation by Democrats or clearly liberal organizations. And Citizen United, etc...
10-20-2014 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Are you saying you think the american people are against the drones but can't voice that objection because of some failure of democracy?

or that you think they should be against the drones?

or even that they would be against the drones except that the system has made them apathetic.
I think they should be against drones. I think most Americans would be against them also but they are apathetic.

I am saying that a government that does whatever the **** it wants is not a democracy. The patriot act is a scam to rob Americans of their rights and to do anything they want while being accountable to no one.
10-20-2014 , 05:19 PM
Good for you Mayo. That must been a hard decision.

Its funny though that people get mad at the soldiers running the program, when they should be after the people in charge.
10-23-2014 , 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Mayo
There is literally no reason for me to write this post, other than the fact that these ******s really pissed me off, more so through their incompetence than anything else.
When you encounter one of these pretend-rage protesters in person, ask them to name both Senators and their local Congressperson. 4 out of 5 times they won't even know. That's what you're dealing with more often than not.
10-24-2014 , 02:44 AM
Another thing is that the war on IsIs is going to fail. It saddens me that Canada has joined in this stupid crusade.

Even with superior air power they cannot win. Never has just using air power won any war. If history shows anything its that bombing people makes them more determined.
10-24-2014 , 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnyCrash
Another thing is that the war on IsIs is going to fail. It saddens me that Canada has joined in this stupid crusade.

Even with superior air power they cannot win. Never has just using air power won any war. If history shows anything its that bombing people makes them more determined.
it stopped the japanese ambitions but ur right that it wont work vs isis.
we had alot of discussions here on tv recently about this topic, and slowly but surely, everyone agreed on that fact. the problem is just, it happens to close to us, so its hard to ignore(also obv ton of minoritys live here coming from that dow there). the truth is, nobody has a plan. maybe we should just let them fight and talk in a few years to the guys left. iraq for example only exist on paper anyway, who knows what happen to syria and the kurds in the turkey.
10-24-2014 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by POPEYE81
it stopped the japanese ambitions but ur right that it wont work vs isis.
we had alot of discussions here on tv recently about this topic, and slowly but surely, everyone agreed on that fact. the problem is just, it happens to close to us, so its hard to ignore(also obv ton of minoritys live here coming from that dow there). the truth is, nobody has a plan. maybe we should just let them fight and talk in a few years to the guys left. iraq for example only exist on paper anyway, who knows what happen to syria and the kurds in the turkey.
Haha you got me. I hope your not suggesting we nuke them?

      
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