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07-20-2015 , 11:01 PM
That's a very bigoted view against young people. Fortunately the First Amendment protects your right to free speech.
07-21-2015 , 02:55 AM
The Des Moines Register wants Trump out of the race:

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It's time for Donald Trump to drop out of the race for president of the United States.
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His comments threaten to derail not just his campaign, but the manner in which we choose our nominees for president. By using his considerable wealth, his celebrity status, and his mouth to draw attention to himself, rather than to raise awareness of the issues facing America, he has coarsened our political dialogue and cheapened the electoral process.
Amazing. How does Trump threaten to derail "the manner in which we choose our nominees for president"? Trump is asked questions, he gives his opinion, and voters can decide to vote for him or not... How does that damage the "electoral process"? The Register says it's because Trump is drawing attention to himself, rather than to raise awareness of the issues facing America. But Trump has spoke on these issues. He is anti-abortion, he thinks same-sex marriage is a state issue, he thinks climate change is a hoax, he thinks common core is a disaster, etc. So they have no argument. What is Trump doing that is out of bounds? Having disagreeable opinions? You'd think a newspaper would appreciate free speech more than that. Do you even America anymore, Iowa?
07-21-2015 , 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by steered
The Des Moines Register wants Trump out of the race:




Amazing. How does Trump threaten to derail "the manner in which we choose our nominees for president"? Trump is asked questions, he gives his opinion, and voters can decide to vote for him or not... How does that damage the "electoral process"? The Register says it's because Trump is drawing attention to himself, rather than to raise awareness of the issues facing America. But Trump has spoke on these issues. He is anti-abortion, he thinks same-sex marriage is a state issue, he thinks climate change is a hoax, he thinks common core is a disaster, etc. So they have no argument. What is Trump doing that is out of bounds? Having disagreeable opinions? You'd think a newspaper would appreciate free speech more than that. Do you even America anymore, Iowa?
That's enough right there... GTFO, and attend to your next corporate bankruptcy.
07-21-2015 , 03:46 AM
Ok. It does seem like 97% of scientists agree global warming is real and man made. But it seems like Trump hates global warming because of all the regulations that have to be put on businesses, not necessarily because he's anti-science. Regulations make American companies uncompetitive with China, who can use dirty coal. And maybe that's not such a bad thing, to have such regulations, but that's only one issue. What about illegal immigration? Trump wants to have a border that works and to enforce immigration laws. That seems entirely reasonable, while the alternative position does not... Let people break the law? Why have laws in the first place in that case?
07-21-2015 , 04:04 AM
Do you think the consequences of illegal immigration are comparable to the consequences of global warming?

The later requires whatever measures we can muster while the former doesn't. We could even consider removing the border without the planet being at risk.
07-21-2015 , 04:35 AM
Their mutual exclusivity seems besides the point I made to Jiggs. Let's say global warming is the most important issue, above all else. Well, you're still gonna have to deal with illegal immigration in some way. Moreover, global warming is like 14/15th most important issue to Americans, so you can bet that upcoming debates probably won't center around climate change, even though perhaps it should, you would argue, apparently. It's a reason you could vote not for Trump, but not a reason Trump should be blacklisted as a candidate, like anti-Free Speech Des Moines Register wants to do.
07-21-2015 , 05:03 AM
his dickish mouth will blacklist him soon enough... I think he'll be out of the race by this time next year.

primary polls mean very little right now.
07-21-2015 , 05:06 AM
Its not mutual exclusivity but magnitude of the problem. They're simply not comparable whether people worry about it or not.

I wouldn't argue for debating climate change very much - there's nothing to debate is there? Illegal immigration is far more worthy of debate but the fact they both come fairly low down on list of worries probably mean neither will play much of a part.

Probably more important is the qualities people want in their president. I don't think they want what Trump offers in that department.
07-21-2015 , 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw

I wouldn't argue for debating climate change very much - there's nothing to debate is there?
Someone in the know about climate change, I'd think, could wipe the floor with someone less knowledgeable, and that could be an advantage during a political debate. Like the people from the Green Party would dominate that average Republican on the issue of climate change, I'd imagine--or they should, anyway.
07-21-2015 , 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by steered
Someone in the know about climate change, I'd think, could wipe the floor with someone less knowledgeable, and that could be an advantage during a political debate. Like the people from the Green Party would dominate that average Republican on the issue of climate change, I'd imagine--or they should, anyway.
It can't really. Unless someone is interested enough to get into the science of it then either they trust the overwhelming view of the experts or they believe its all some sort of conspiracy.

There's not going to be some meaningful political debate about what the data about the ice caps means etc etc
07-21-2015 , 05:59 AM
Another quote from the Des Moines Register on Trump:

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But he now wants to become president, which means that he aspires to be the leader of the free world and the keeper of our nuclear launch codes.
Total fear mongering. Any President will have an array of consultants to provide advice. Plus Trump is a proven negotiator and cool under pressure. The insinuation that Trump will be like a paranoid reactive with his finger trembling over the nukes is total fear mongering.

Wow. It looks like this is actually a talking point, because Patrick Murphy on the Last Word w/ Lawrence O'Donnell just had this to say about Trump's McCain comments:

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It just... He just can't help himself. You know, when you run to be the Commander in Chief, to represent the Armed Forces of our nation, to keep our familes safe... It's about the country. It's about serving our nation. It's about being selfless. I don't think Donald Trump knows one thing about being selfless. It's all about him. It's not about the country. He doesn't want to serve the nation. He wants to be there for the glory, for the celebrity aspect of it. Could you imagine if he had the finger on the.. you know... the leader of the free world, with his finger, you know, with the nuclear football. I mean I just couldn't imagine... with his judgment--or the lack thereof.
Is Murphy butchering the same talking point! Holy ****. Trump has them so shook they're bringing out talking points? This is very interesting. The Des Moines Register and Pennsylvania Representative Patrick Murphy are foot soldiers for the talking point?

07-21-2015 , 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by steered
That's a very bigoted view against young people. Fortunately the First Amendment protects your right to free speech.
awww, it's cute when you parrot words you hear actual adults use in a vain attempt to sound smart
07-21-2015 , 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by steered
That's a very bigoted view against young people. Fortunately the First Amendment protects your right to free speech.
Totally misapplying free speech, where we learn steered is younger than 18.
07-21-2015 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by steered
The Des Moines Register wants Trump out of the race:




Amazing. How does Trump threaten to derail "the manner in which we choose our nominees for president"? Trump is asked questions, he gives his opinion, and voters can decide to vote for him or not... How does that damage the "electoral process"? The Register says it's because Trump is drawing attention to himself, rather than to raise awareness of the issues facing America. But Trump has spoke on these issues. He is anti-abortion, he thinks same-sex marriage is a state issue, he thinks climate change is a hoax, he thinks common core is a disaster, etc. So they have no argument. What is Trump doing that is out of bounds? Having disagreeable opinions? You'd think a newspaper would appreciate free speech more than that. Do you even America anymore, Iowa?
People are worried that the Trump candidacy will shine too much of a light on the fact that so many people are not qualified to vote. Normally we look the other way regarding this fact because those votes normally split in such a way that they are unlikely to affect the election.
07-21-2015 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
People are worried that the Trump candidacy will shine too much of a light on the fact that so many people are not qualified to vote. Normally we look the other way regarding this fact because those votes normally split in such a way that they are unlikely to affect the election.
Nobody has figured out a way to determine who is qualified to vote.

And "feckless blowhard" is a good insult.
07-21-2015 , 03:02 PM
polling 2x the next candidate (Scott walker's 13%) among Rs
07-22-2015 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
People are worried that the Trump candidacy will shine too much of a light on the fact that so many people are not qualified to vote. Normally we look the other way regarding this fact because those votes normally split in such a way that they are unlikely to affect the election.
Probably 90% of voters aren't qualified to vote. I'm not sure how Trump is relevant to this.
07-22-2015 , 11:40 AM
I don't feel qualified to qualify people to vote beyond the qualifications we already use.
07-22-2015 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by AlexM
Probably 90% of voters aren't qualified to vote.
based onnnnnnnnn?
07-22-2015 , 04:44 PM
Standard "everyone's dumb but me" theory
07-22-2015 , 10:13 PM
An unqualified voter is like pornography. Hard to define but you know one when you see one.
07-23-2015 , 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
An unqualified voter is like pornography. Hard to define but you know one when you see one.
Do they amount to some 90%, as Alex insists?
07-23-2015 , 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Low Key
Standard "everyone's dumb but me" theory
If that were the case, I'd have made it higher.

No, it's that people don't care, don't pay attention and don't think about what matters. They are practically voting blind, so they just vote for the party they believe more closely aligns with their views, and that's why we have the garbage system we do.
07-23-2015 , 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
People are worried that the Trump candidacy will shine too much of a light on the fact that so many people are not qualified to vote. Normally we look the other way regarding this fact because those votes normally split in such a way that they are unlikely to affect the election.
David, who are these people? I for one think that shining enough light on the fact that too many people don't have a clue when voting is a good thing, if that is indeed true.

Regarding the Donald, he sure knows how to get media attention focused on him. Jeb Bush looks pretty weak to me. Hillary too for that matter.
07-23-2015 , 04:33 AM
I don't really mind what he said about immigrants or McCain.

http://www.lapdonline.org/all_most_wanted

Many immigrants come here to bypass our labor laws, many companies hire only immigrants because they don't want to deal with minimum wage and all the other laws that can get them sued. Generally most Californians like immigrants better than the average Californian as they work and offer low prices, don't try and scam.

It has been reported that McCain spent 5 years as a pow, and it was used as a political statement that he endured all the torture.

http://www.history.co.uk/biographies/john-mccain

Trump, imho only wants to say he wants someone that wins for president, Joe Montana, Bruce Jenner, or Hank Aaron. Chris Kyle, or someone that did something extraordinary in combat. That is what he is trying to say.

What I don't like about Trump about is his China trade and currency ideas. China manipulating currency how? It is stronger than the dollar. The U.S. imposing minimum wage is our own fault. We need to fix the laws within the United States to compete with China, we have no right to subject China to our silly laws.

      
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