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Does Whining About Political Correctness in a Racism Debate Correlate to Being a Racist? Does Whining About Political Correctness in a Racism Debate Correlate to Being a Racist?

09-20-2014 , 11:51 PM
Let get back to whining about racism. Is that a tell of more than something? Are we all whining about because it hurts? It is dehumanizing, and that in abstract always hurts humanity by cause and effect of idea.

Is it an agreeable idea to treat racism like it hurts?
09-20-2014 , 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
Are you paying attention? No one is calling the police on people who use racial slurs. This stupid lady is calling the police because a comedy show made her feel bad.



Maybe you should be smarter.



The bigots are the dominant aggressive group and always have been. If they weren't constantly ****ing people over and yelling out of windows because people are the wrong color/religion/orientation then nobody would have a problem.

Honestly, racists and bigots could have no better ally than you--the concern troll who can't bear the thought of a racist getting his feelings hurt even though racist racists in this country ruin people's lives daily. And, just to be clear, not with their ****ing words.
Your are mischaracterizing my position. The concern for feelings is humanitarian and is the reason we do not use racial slurs. We all share having them, not my wedge to put between us.
09-20-2014 , 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by prana
St fu spanky. I've never had an issue with fly because I don't say racist ****. Your explanation of pvn admonishing racism to finally "fit in" was <bleep> funny tho dumb ass. Dude spent months <bleep> with the racist douchebags at city data and funnily enough their response was similar to yours' "don't be mean to the racists".

09-21-2014 , 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Peter Porker
Maybe unchained isn't for you son.
09-21-2014 , 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by prana
Maybe unchained isn't for you son.
Maybe unchained is for anyone.
09-21-2014 , 12:10 AM
It's definitely not for you spanky.
09-21-2014 , 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by prana
Maybe unchained isn't for you son.
09-21-2014 , 12:17 AM
I'd say peter is upset about not getting in the worst poster tourney, but I'm pretty sure he's Alex, at least judging by his god awful posts
09-21-2014 , 12:19 AM
09-21-2014 , 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Anais
I'd say peter is upset about not getting in the worst poster tourney, but I'm pretty sure he's Alex, at least judging by his god awful posts
It's confirmed Alex.
09-21-2014 , 12:39 AM
I thought I'd guessed that before and he denied it.
09-21-2014 , 12:41 AM
The people who don't start fights and make acrimony about racism do it better.
09-21-2014 , 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
The people who don't start fights and make acrimony about racism do it better.
Note:

Being racist |= "make acrimony about racism"

CALLING something racist |= "making acrimony about racism"

spank are you proud of how you've devoted the past like two months to advancing the cause of white supremacy on the internet?
09-21-2014 , 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Note:

Being racist |= "make acrimony about racism"

CALLING something racist |= "making acrimony about racism"

spank are you proud of how you've devoted the past like two months to advancing the cause of white supremacy on the internet?
I'll end every fight you cause. I stand.
09-21-2014 , 12:45 AM
Divide and abuse is the racist way. Why should I budge?
09-21-2014 , 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
Drunken Op-Ed

There's an awful lot of back and forth over racism and the deeply dreaded label of 'racist'. Here is what I have observed over how the word is used.

In casual conversation - the way normal people talk about normal things - 'racist' is not used to call out behavior that is blindingly racist. Nobody says "it's snowing" when standing in the middle of a snowstorm unless they're trying to be obnoxiously witty. Stating the obvious is dumb.

When confronted with an opinion that certain minorities are inferior, nobody says "that's racist". Of course it's racist. That doesn't need to be pointed out. A much more typical response would be something along the lines of, "STFU you ignorant white supremacist mother****er".

When used in typical conversation by actual people who haven't been kicked in the head by a mule, the whole point of calling a person, action or statement 'racist' is to draw attention to the underlying subtext that may not be readily apparent to a superficial reading. That is the entire purpose of labeling things racist - to point out the inherent prejudice that might otherwise be overlooked.

If you disagree with this, please consider your personal reaction to the statement, "Black people should be treated differently than white people, because skin color indicates important differences in a person's fundamental nature." I bet you don't just call that statement racist. I imagine your reaction is much stronger, and would be expressed with much more dramatic language.

So if you find yourself whining about who or what the label 'racist' gets applied to, you are probably betrayed by your own language in how you describe things that are blatantly racist vs. those that are casually or implicitly racist. You're trying to shift the definition away from how you yourself actually use the word. And that almost certainly makes you a racist.
I actually use the word the way I believe it is officially defined and not otherwise. Younger people use the word more liberally because there are so few who meet the official definition. But I remember when 40% of the country did meet that definition. So I search for a softer word for lesser sins.
09-21-2014 , 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
Your are mischaracterizing my position. The concern for feelings is humanitarian and is the reason we do not use racial slurs. We all share having them, not my wedge to put between us.
No, I think I've got it. Despite the weird syntax and such, it's not a hard read. You're no Pynchon.
09-21-2014 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
No, I think I've got it. Despite the weird syntax and such, it's not a hard read. You're no Pynchon.
I have doubt you got it and understand you think you do. If you actually got it, than you can understand why angry and militant approaches to racism are tragically flawed. Shooting the messenger doesn't change that message.
09-21-2014 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
I have doubt you got it and understand you think you do. If you actually got it, than you can understand why angry and militant approaches to racism are tragically flawed. Shooting the messenger doesn't change that message.
You aren't even making that argument, you are just concern trolling--more schtick than an ethos.
09-21-2014 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
...angry and militant approaches to racism are tragically flawed...
This is obviously wrong.

Racism isn't racial animus. It isn't a personal 'failure' or 'confusion' or 'bad logic' than can be 'cured' by some kinda personal 'therapy' or vague notions of 'love'. It's systemic, institutionalized race-based class discrimination.

Attempting to conflate racism with racial animus is a main strategy of racists, meaning here those who act or speak to support this institutionalized discrimination. They'd like nothing more than to narrow the scope to a few 'bad people' with 'bad logic' who can be 'cured'... thereby completely ignoring/trivializing/denying the fundamental systemic institutional nature of racism.

Racism is not a 'mental health issue'... racism is a result of how our society is organized.

Victims of racism, and their allies, have every right to be angry. They have every right to express their anger... who are you to say otherwise. This whole derp about racism being only a 'personal failure' needs to be called out at all times. Finally, without militant action... without militant direct action... systemic institutionalized racism cannot even begin to be confronted.

09-21-2014 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
I actually use the word the way I believe it is officially defined and not otherwise. Younger people use the word more liberally because there are so few who meet the official definition. But I remember when 40% of the country did meet that definition. So I search for a softer word for lesser sins.
Um, no.
09-21-2014 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
You aren't even making that argument, you are just concern trolling--more schtick than an ethos.
That is easy to argue. Saying 'your just...' is a political dodge.Why should I argue about it considering a chief message of the ethos and the basis for the "schtick?

Please be informed from my perspective the discussion of this topic has just begun. It appears to me that a knowledge gap is present about racism in the community and the political method does not solve it.
09-21-2014 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
Um, no.
Racism is over, haven't you heard?
09-21-2014 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
I actually use the word the way I believe it is officially defined and not otherwise. Younger people use the word more liberally because there are so few who meet the official definition. But I remember when 40% of the country did meet that definition. So I search for a softer word for lesser sins.
Appeals to history, science, philosophy, and religion line up with your view here.

I'm not even sure what the popular underlying ideology about anti-racism is even defined as here in the forums. It appears militant and angry, demanding of shaming, shunning and, well, having dominance. Which school of thought is that?

Zikzak's views are informative and seem more rooted in the educational approach. Why marry that to an overly adversarial method?

Civil rights is about equality for each individual at it's core and I cannot easily reconcile militant behavior with this idea.
09-21-2014 , 01:14 PM
Militant behavior has long been a part of the civil rights movement. I'm not sure what history you're looking back on here.

That said, I don't think yelling at people on the internet is really militancy.

      
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