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Originally Posted by TheMadcap
I'm not sure that the answer is in more rules...
I find the word 'more' here problematic.
Here in Neuvo Baja Politards we're going to have rules. That Rubicon has already been crossed. The question is
what rules, not
if rules. In that context, the word 'more' here strongly implies that there is a point where the shear volume of rules becomes a 'bad', even if in isolation each of the individual rules are a 'good'. What is problematic is that this is fundamentally a change of subject... from discussing the merits of any particular rule to discussing the possible demerits meta-effect of too many rules (and thereby precluding discussion the merits of any particular rule in isolation).
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... I think it's as simple as everyone making sure they are able to summarize their opponents position in a way they wouldn't object to and then to argue against that position...
Yeah, but this always fails immediately and spectacularly when the r-word is involved.
Like clockwork, it goes like this: Poster A uses the unqualified r-word. Now, in a perfect world, poster B would politely ask poster A to clarify if they mean what is sometimes called "Institutional R-word-ism", or what is sometimes called "Secret Heart R-word-ism". Instead, like clockwork here in Los Dos Politards, the thread is derailed and looped into idiotic spewing about what is the-true-and-only-official-definition of this-or-that-string-of-ASCII.
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... People who are unwilling or incapable of doing those things should just largely be ignored.
Yeah, again maybe in that perfect world. However, here in Los Dos Politarias we have voluminous actual evidence that the above doesn't happen... that the above never actually happens. What actually happens, always, is that the thread gets looped and derailed by the above idiotic definition non-discussion.
To stop this from keep happening here in Los Dos Politards, it's obviously going to take a rule. Conversely, for the folks who don't care that this keeps happening... basically LOL@ them ever whining about our discussions here not being 'productive'.