That's like saying we can't convict trump of murder if he kills someone because an unrelated matter didn't have enough evidence. You're talking nonsense.

This is only true if you are an idiot who buys into pizzagate as a real thing. Assange also tweeted antisemitic crap, but you love that stuff too.

I'm sure the intelligence community lies all the time. So does Russia. We have private companies confirming what the intelligence community says. But if their conclusions hurt deuces feels, he just claims they are part of the conspiracies. That's what worthless conspiracy theorists do.

Their reputation is in tatters. You believe pizzagate. lol Deuces.

Nixon didn't order Watergate but definitely committed obstruction of justice in trying to cover it up.

By the way, is Sushy okay? I'm getting worried, not a peep since the Mueller news, it's unlike him to be so quiet. I hope he's alright.

Wat? I remind you what a bold liar James Clapper is and you come back with this? lol you just really have nothing to say. That is nonsensical poo flinging.

Dueces: Let's think about this for a second.

One party has a record of complete honesty and excruciating commitment to accuracy. The other party are scheming liars, on the record lying huge, and have spent the last two decades trying to secretly record the American public- entirely record the entire American public (except them). If you haven't figured it out yet, this second party is dedicated to your manipulation and control.

Furthermore, the former party has a decidedly inside track on the matter at hand- they know their sources because they have to. And their ability to function is based entirely on their reputation, not on authority.

These two parties are telling you opposing ideas. Who should you believe?

13ball:..idiot...pizaagate.,,qua qua qua...assange..crap..antisemitic...you.

But wikileaks doesn't lie. lol you are literally saying that, in the absence of actual evidence, you are going to choose to believe one of two liars who you know are liars even though the party who is most likely to know and be honest about this information is telling you the liars are false on this. You are hopeless.

And you really think Wikileaks advanced the pizzagate conspiracy? Wikileaks simply tries to give information in case, when you get woke, you might want to know what is going on. Hopeless.

edit: gotta read more first

You've said this. It's stupid and obviously wrong.

"Actual evidence" has been posted in this very thread.

Of course they did:



And the stupid Clinton "earpiece" conspiracy theory:



It's amazing just how often this "information" mirrors what Russia believes:

WikiLeaks release excludes evidence of €2 billion transfer from Syria to Russia

I guess technically that isn't a lie.

But why would Wikileaks do all of this shilling for Russia?

Oh.

Wikileaks is really into very stupid conspiracy theories, which explains why you like them so much. Unlike you, though, I don't think they actually believe them.

You've got wikilleaks lying? Where?

Again, where? When I tell you Clapper lied huge I can link to any number of videos or transcripts showing it. The way you just make assertions you cannot backup in any (wikileaks lying or evidence tying Trump to election hacking) just makes you look like a crazy person (but not as much as your wrestling fan blog does).

That's called trolling the media. And there is no lie there. Wikileaks tells the truth and only the truth, not like those who lie to your face because they know you are so subservient that you will act as though you believe them again and again.

You are conflating wikileaks analyses and their content. Their content is true. Nobody cares about their analyses.

Their raw information is always correct, which is maybe why Russia believes it.
Yep, that proves shilling for Russia. lol

How many more Russia based, nonsensical conspiracy theories you got?

Wikileaks is telling you what your government is doing to you and to the world in your name. If not for them you would not know. Instead of reaching around yourself and grabbing monkey poop to throw at them, maybe you should thank them. That's just a suggestion. You also have the option to continue on ignoring the fact that your government lies to you and violates the constitution to spy on you. And you will almost certainly take that option. I mean, I can't tell you with words what it feels like to be a man and not pretend to believe liars who have no respect for you. But I remain puzzled by that you apparently are not at all curious what that feels like.

I guess spreading stupid lies about pizzagate doesn't count as lying because it's "trolling the media," huh? Or do you believe the secret pedophile ring in underground DC tunnels is factual? Don't answer.

Wat? You said "in the absence of actual evidence" we should believe Wikileaks because they will never lie. But we have actual evidence and it's been posted in this thread.

One excerpt:

Now, those companies have never tweeted baseless conspiracies theories, so we should obviously trust them over Wikileaks.

No one is arguing that the content of the leaks is false. (Although I posted a link alleging that they don't post anti-Russian stuff, even when they get it.) But the content being credible does not mean that everything Wikileaks says in credible. Only a fool would believe that.

It doesn't prove anything, but explains why Wikileaks might lie about its source--even when there is public, credible evidence that the source is Russia. And the money trail here is better evidence than anything you have to support the stupid conspiracy theories that you believe.

I can be against the government spying AND be concerned about Russia AND also question scumbags that spread harmful conspiracy theories.

At no point did Wikileaks ever give false statements regarding pizzagate. Wikileaks relays true information. Their record is impeccable.

Are you even trying bro? I've got you arguing that Wikileaks are liars. Everyone knows they are not liars. You lose. You just never learn.

Are you even trying bro?

That is an old excerpt. That crowdstrike report has since been so ripped apart by cyber security experts that crowdstrike had to retract the key parts of their claim. Crowdstrike misrepresented data from a separate study, and the original authors stated so.

https://www.voanews.com/a/crowdstrik...p/3776067.html

Let's review this supposed evidence. The first thing to note is that the DNC refused to give the FBI their servers in order to investigate the hack. The only investigators to actually look at the servers were from the private company Crowdstrike, hired by the DNC. The CEO of that company is involved with an anti-Russian think tank and has given millions to the Clinton foundation. And, oh yeah, they had to rewrite their report after being caught misrepresenting data.

The DNC paid a private company to produce what it wanted. If not, why didn't they give their servers to the FBI? Private companies also bolstered the bogus intelligence claims getting us into the Iraq war so no surprise.

There is no proof or strong evidence presented which shows Russia hacked the DNC. There is no proof or strong evidence that Trump conspired with Russia to "hack" the election. These are facts. You can believe honest people or you can believe someone who lied to your face about spying on you. And, again, I just don't understand how you people think who would ever think that "James Clapper said..." is the start of a compelling argument. Think about that - lying to you about spying on you - that's really two big lies.

No one is saying everything they say is credible. And yes, it seems as though they probably are reluctant to publish items concerning Russia. Some of their analysis is bizarre. They no doubt see Russia the same way Washington does, as the last thing in America's way. However, on matters of fact Wikileaks delivers with incredible accuracy.

Wikileaks spread the pizzagate story, and pizzagate is false. Apparently you think it's okay to spread false rumors about actual people being pedophiles?

That report is "so ripped apart" that you give an example about the number of Ukranian howitzers--which Crowdstrile corrected.

You say "let's review the evidence"--and then don't mention ANY of the evidence. Amazing.

I know stupid conspiracy theorists have a million reasons why several notable cybersecurity companies might be wrong. But evidence exists. You can try to pathetically handwave it away because Crowdstrike made a mistake about Ukrainian howitzer information. But "absence of evidence" was a flat out lie.

Funny how dip**** conspiracy theorists demand reams of evidence, yet believe that the DNC and Crowdstrike are fabricating reports with ZERO evidence to back it up. I guess the DNC paid the other companies to reach the same conclusion? Great theory.

excuse me?

Good question.

Fox and Friends appears uncertain about the nature of multi-floor office buildings in large cities, what with them representing Real America and all:

Fake news!

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Didn't trump brag about 'keeping him honest' just today? Official tweets.

J.Edgar. Comey.

Distraction J. trump.

That was my mistake. I get 13ball confused with another poster named master3004. I have exchanged with both of them numerous times in the 9/11 thread. In that thread, I sort of deal with people according to how I see their intelligence/education level. I have those two ranked very close and so I sometimes confuse the two.

It is actually Master3004 who, it was disclosed in the 9/11 thread, has a bizarre fantasy wrestling sex fetish which he writes about on this site.

My bad.

No, wikileaks did not spread the pizzagate story. Not at all, and the fact that you would assert that means you just have no commitment to the truth. Wikileaks published the email correspondence of John Pedesta. Some other people (the common belief is that it originated in 4chan or some message board), not in any way associated with Wikileaks, decided to apply their own analysis to the Podesta's emails and the bizarre behavior of his associates. The tweet you posted of wikileaks pointing to the press covering pizzagate is not Wikileaks spreading pizzagate. In fact, IIRC, what Wikileaks pointed to was a mainstream press giving credibility to pizzagate. Wikileaks has explicitly stated that they don't endorse the pizzagate conspiracy theory. At the same time, they do acknowledge that there is some bizarre **** going on in the emails. I think that is undeniable.

You cited the Crowdstrike report as the evidence of Russian hacking. I gave reasons why that evidence isn't credible, with citation. Do you want more citation? Do you question anything I posted? It seems like you are just saying I didn't discuss the evidence when I discussed the very thing you cite as evidence.

I know it is easier to just make things up than actually deal with the criticisms of the evidence. Like, I know it is difficult to explain why the DNC would not allow the FBI or DHS to inspect their servers. It's difficult for you, I mean, because you would have to reconcile it with your immovable presumption that Russia did the hacking and the DNC is honest. If you start with no presumptions, however, it's really not too difficult to explain the DNC's secrecy on the matter. Their behavior is consistent with only one motive - don't want the truth out.

Let's get one thing straight - you are promoting a conspiracy theory. You are saying Russia hacked the DNC and is in league with Trump and/or Wikileaks. You are saying this based on a privately funded investigation, the main claims of which had to be retracted because they were demonstrably false. So let's get another thing straight - the crowdstrike report has been proven false.

The DNC is hiding the evidence from those who they don't influence directly, namely the FBI and DHS, because they want their assertions, not the evidence, to speak. This is so obvious that even a mainstream establishment dog like Jake Tapper has to say something.

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/statu...73197119004672
You like tweets? Feast on that tweet, twit. Your own side is caving in, hitting their own teeth together after trying to chomp down on the big nothing burger. That means it's time for you to fold up shop too, sheeple. The herd is moving away from a lie which was unsustainable. Time to follow.

Wikileaks absolutely spread the story by posting a link to the local CBS affiliate report. It was known then that the pizzagate story was a fabrication. And this was after a gunman showed up at Comet Ping Pong, endangering innocent lives. Even Alex Jones had starting deleting pizzagate videos after that attack.


You talked about one minor point about Ukrainian Howitzers in the CS report--a point which they addressed. You did not address any of the evidence I quoted.

I'll deal with criticisms of the evidence when you actually make some.

This is a distraction. I imagine the DNC didn't trust the FBI.

Russia hacking the DNC is supported by a lot of evidence. They also hacked other Democratic orgs and used a sophisticated phishing attack against Podesta and 4,000 other targets.

I have no idea if Trump or anyone from his campaign was colluding with Russians, but it could have happened, especially since Trump and Sessions and Flynn keep lying about their Russian meetings.

Wikileaks has been paid by Russia and has blatantly promoted Russian interests. I don't trust them, but I don't know if they are guilty of anything. It's also possible that Russia duped them and they do not know the true source of the DNC hack.



This is a pathetic lie. The "main claim" of the report was not about Ukranian Howitzers. That doesn't even make sense.

But the FBI concluded that Russia was behind the hacking...In fact, the FBI tried to warn the DNC, but failed. (This may be why they don't trust them.) So the FBI thinks the evidence is good enough.

So instead of dealing with the evidence of Russian hacking, you post a tweet, call me a name, and declare victory. You're a special kind of stupid.

To be clear, this is a blatant and stupid lie. I originally thought the report Deuces is referring to was on the DNC hack, but it's this report on Russian hacking in Ukraine:

https://docs.voanews.eu/en-US/2017/0...27e3907a89.pdf

What were those retractions?

Nothing to do with the DNC and nothing to do with the evidence of hacking.

This is the problem with stupid, lying conspiracy theorists. They care nothing for the truth. Deuces conflated two reports hoping to confuse the issue or was too dumb to realize that the reports were different. Either way, lol Deuces.

Sorry, it appears I was wrong that nobody was talking about Russia "hacking the election".

Kellyanne ****ing Conway: "It's the Obama administration that was responsible for doing absolutely nothing...with the knowledge that Russia was hacking into our election."

The Trump administration now claiming Russia "hacked into our election"? Interesting tactic, let's see how it works out for them!