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06-30-2017 , 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by pokerodox
Interesting. Just FYI, the scale from the article shows, I think, dark green is 5-10% economic growth, light green is 0-5% growth, light orange is 0-5% economic damage, orange is 5-10% damage, red-orange is 10-15% damage and red is 15-20% damage.

The damage appears to be primarily from heat stroke deaths and crops not growing as well. Adapting by preventing heat stroke deaths (France provided cooling centers for those without AC in 2003) and changing/adapting crops may alleviate some or much of the damage.

I wonder why San Diego and, what is that, Fresno, benefit.
How did that work out for them?

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when between 15,000 and 19,000 people died as a result of extreme temperatures – many of them isolated elderly citizens. The government at the time came under virulent criticism for neglecting the problem, with many ministers abroad on holidays while thousands agonised.
http://www.france24.com/en/20150701-...mer-guidelines

The French are wussies. We have 100 degree heat here every year for two months at a time. No one dies except the stoopids and tourists.
06-30-2017 , 05:28 PM
Yah, I don't know how it worked. The 15,000 to 19,000 deaths may have been before they put the measures in place. Maybe they'll be ready to react next time??? I really don't know.
07-06-2017 , 01:54 AM
The global cooling thing is mostly about one article in Newsweek from 1975 that the author refers to now as over-enthusiastic and based on the opinions of "several" experts as opposed to the near total consensus there is now about warming.

http://www.newsweek.com/newsweek-rew...cooling-252326
07-07-2017 , 02:40 PM
France to sell only hybrid and electric cars by 2040

As the article notes, this is less ambitious than goals set by Norway (2025) and India (2030), but a step in the right direction!

Similarly, Volvo announced yesterday that starting in 2019 all their new cars will be hybrid or electric.
07-13-2017 , 10:52 AM
The largest iceberg ever recorded just broke off in Antarctica. It's a trillion tons and the size of Delaware.
07-13-2017 , 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
The largest iceberg ever recorded just broke off in Antarctica. It's a trillion tons and the size of Delaware.
Happens all the time. This one is a little bit large - but if you think the Earth is homeostatic, I have a bridge to sell you.

http://www.nbcnews.com/science/envir...icious-n782231
07-13-2017 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
France to sell only hybrid and electric cars by 2040

As the article notes, this is less ambitious than goals set by Norway (2025) and India (2030), but a step in the right direction!

Similarly, Volvo announced yesterday that starting in 2019 all their new cars will be hybrid or electric.
More bad investments by the Europeans:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17xh_VRrnMU
07-13-2017 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
Happens all the time. This one is a little bit large - but if you think the Earth is homeostatic, I have a bridge to sell you.

http://www.nbcnews.com/science/envir...icious-n782231
This one particular event can't be directly tied to anthropogenic global warming is the battle cry of a bunch of reactionary fools.

Some extreme idiots still say something like "Chinese hoax" but most have backpeddled to the above, "wait for geoengineering", and "conservation and renewables cost more than adjusting to warming. "
07-13-2017 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
This one particular event can't be directly tied to anthropogenic global warming is the battle cry of a bunch of reactionary fools.

Some extreme idiots still say something like "Chinese hoax" but most have backpeddled to the above, "wait for geoengineering", and "conservation and renewables cost more than adjusting to warming. "
Are you kidding? Have you missed "the drought is Global Warming, the flood is Global Warming, the war in Syria is Global Warming". Don't give me this non-sense.

As for hoaxes, we now know that the Paris Climate accords were at least a hoax. Paris wouldn't have made a difference to anything, just a way to centralize economic engineering. I'm glad Trump told them to take a hike.
07-13-2017 , 12:21 PM
Step up scientists - time to debate your positions:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN19W2D0
07-13-2017 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
More bad investments by the Europeans:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17xh_VRrnMU
This is just like with solar only electric cars are several years behind. So, I don't really worry about the reactionary nonsense. ICEs for passenger vehicles will be replaced and the adoption curve will get steep. Market growth will drive prices down quickly. It's unstoppable thank goodness, I just wish we'd hurry it even more like the euros. California is aight though.
07-13-2017 , 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
Are you kidding? Have you missed "the drought is Global Warming, the flood is Global Warming, the war in Syria is Global Warming". Don't give me this non-sense.

As for hoaxes, we now know that the Paris Climate accords were at least a hoax. Paris wouldn't have made a difference to anything, just a way to centralize economic engineering. I'm glad Trump told them to take a hike.
You're not bright enough to realize that what you said didn't contradict me at all. I didn't say or imply that some people don't attribute the cause of specific events to global warming when they shouldn't. In fact I implied the opposite. The point though is that that argument is not the correct one. On a poker forum one shouldn't have to explain how having fewer outs puts you in a worse position even if it doesn't tell you what card is coming on the river.

And my understanding is that Paris let countries determine their own plan, so the sovereignty fear mongering seems unfounded. Global pollution issues need international cooperation.

Last edited by microbet; 07-13-2017 at 12:42 PM.
07-13-2017 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
You're not bright enough to realize that what you said didn't contradict me at all. I didn't say or imply that some people don't attribute the cause of specific events to global warming when they shouldn't. In fact I implied the opposite. The point though is that that argument is not the correct one. On a poker forum one shouldn't have to explain how having fewer outs puts you in a worse position even if it doesn't tell you what card is coming on the river.
Developing all forms of energy and not damaging economies for non-demonstrable gain is the "developing more outs" strategy.
07-13-2017 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
Developing all forms of energy and not damaging economies for non-demonstrable gain is the "developing more outs" strategy.
If only that were the real policy of the party of the Koch Brothers.
07-13-2017 , 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
Step up scientists - time to debate your positions:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN19W2D0
Can't wait til the televised debates on evolution. Coming soon, I'm sure.
07-13-2017 , 11:07 PM
Science is boring....isn't the conundrum the same? Basically waiting until clean energy becomes economically viable? But what about robots?
07-13-2017 , 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by nomaddd
Science is boring....isn't the conundrum the same? Basically waiting until clean energy becomes economically viable? But what about robots?
Long term solar contracts are coming in under 3 cents a kwh.
07-14-2017 , 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
Can't wait til the televised debates on evolution. Coming soon, I'm sure.
I don't think anyone is trying to set economic policy based on evolution, nor does evolution try to predict anything.

I'll concede though - Climate Scientists are just as dogmatic as Creationists.
07-19-2017 , 11:07 AM
Viva La Richard Lindzen!!!
07-19-2017 , 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Long term solar contracts are coming in under 3 cents a kwh.
Without government subsidies? Can you link to something recent, can't seem to find this number - my GoogleFu is lacking.

Of course, solar doesn't work everywhere either.
07-20-2017 , 12:49 AM
https://www.tep.com/news/tep-to-powe...lly-low-price/

Solar works everywhere the sun shines. In a place like New York it effectively costs about 50% more than in a place like Arizona.
07-20-2017 , 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
Developing all forms of energy and not damaging economies for non-demonstrable gain is the "developing more outs" strategy.

How Does Mercury Get Into Fish?


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Mercury in the fish we like to eat is a big problem in the United States and increasingly around the world. Mercury itself is a naturally occurring element that is present throughout the environment and in plants and animals. But human industrial activity (such as coal-fired electricity generation, smelting and the incineration of waste) ratchets up the amount of airborne mercury which eventually finds its way into lakes, rivers and the ocean, where it is gobbled up by unsuspecting fish and other marine life.
How about less mercury in our food as a gain.
07-20-2017 , 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by batair

How Does Mercury Get Into Fish?




How about less mercury in our food as a gain.
Do you know what the largest contributor to Anthropogenic Mercury Emissions are?

https://www.epa.gov/international-co...global-context

Do you know what's going to make solar panels more efficient in the future:

https://www.mgsrefining.com/blog/pos...ar-Panels.aspx

Did you also notice that mercury emissions are naturally occurring as well:
"Natural sources of mercury include volcanic eruptions and emissions from the ocean. Anthropogenic (human-caused) emissions include mercury that is released from fuels or raw materials, or from uses in products or industrial processes."
07-20-2017 , 02:31 PM
Please eat tuna every day.
07-20-2017 , 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
https://www.tep.com/news/tep-to-powe...lly-low-price/

Solar works everywhere the sun shines. In a place like New York it effectively costs about 50% more than in a place like Arizona.
You should tell that to the Germans:
http://www.rp-online.de/wirtschaft/u...-aid-1.6636489

      
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