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06-23-2015 , 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Rastamouse
1) There are rules and regulations that prevent companies from being allowed to pay men and women different salaries according to gender.
They discourage, but do not prevent. Companies break rules and regulations all the time.

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2) If it were true that men and women were of equal economic productivity and that there was a pay gap, then it would be nigh-on impossible for men to get a job as they'd be undercut by cheaper, yet equally efficient women. The business world would be totally female-dominated. But apparently these profit-hungry corporate sharks are willing to take a hit to the company's bottom line to help prolong the 'patriarchy'.
This point only makes sense if people recognize that women are equally talented. Profit-hungry corporate sharks can be biased. There are a litany of successful gender discrimination cases that illustrate this point.

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What we see is an illusory pay gap which forms due to the fact that many women drop out of the workforce to become stay-at-home mothers or wives when they reach their 30's.
Multiple studies have shown that this cannot account for the entirety of the wage gap.
06-23-2015 , 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Rastamouse
As part of your proof, you linked to a study that supposedly demonstrated that employers had a bias for favouring applications with 'male names'.
This one?

http://advance.cornell.edu/documents/ImpactofGender.pdf

Or this one?

http://www.pnas.org/content/109/41/16474.abstract#aff-1

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It had around 212 test subjects and in its conclusion, included the unproven premise that one should take into account the fact that 'men lie on their CVs more than women'.
These seem like irrelevant reasons to call a study "laughable."
06-23-2015 , 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by 13ball

This point only makes sense if people recognize that women are equally talented. Profit-hungry corporate sharks can be biased. There are a litany of successful gender discrimination cases that illustrate this point.
We went over this with Rasta but he didn't get it. We even showed him concrete examples where his thinking was wrong. For example companies that are run by people that will sacrifice some money EV because they prefer working with buddies or people they golf with or people they can make sexist comments around.

Or how in many companies the people making the hiring decisions have no incentive to maximize company profit and so that doesn't even factor into their decision.

And so on.

Rasta was shown this, but he just does what he's done in this thread. Ignore most of it, cherry pick a few random things he can misinterpret, and sit around thinking about how hard done by he is by the PC people.
06-23-2015 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken
Note the word "legitimate" in your definition. Not all use of political violence by the state is reflexively legitimate, correct? If you're going to label illegitimate use of political violence (which conforms to common place definitions of terrorism) something other than terrorism when some group commits it, then why not put any group you so choose under that protection? Again, explain to me why it's wrong (if you think it is wrong) not to put whites or pinks or greens or whatever group under that protection?



Of course I do, literally, though I don't know how you are intending "doing the exact same thing" to be understood.

War crime is by no means a catch-all for illegitimate state violence. 'War crimes' is a category of crime, defined by defined violations within the category.

Have you ever heard the term low intensity conflict? That's what the countries who make the rules like to call aggressive violence against other countries (who didn't obey the rules) which are not of the scale of usually associated with war but which would, conceptually, need to be called war if logical consistency were a real virtue. So if terrorism occurs during a low intensity conflict what should you call it, since no war is going on? What about domestic terrorism by the state, absent any civil war?
Terrorism is a category of crime, defined by violations within that category.

I'm not protecting state actors by not using terrorism to describe crimes that you think are terrorism, I am just placing them in a different category of crime. Referring to that as "protection" is stupid.
06-23-2015 , 02:20 PM
War is legalized terrorism.
06-23-2015 , 02:32 PM
sigh
06-23-2015 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
For example companies that are run by people that will sacrifice some money EV because they prefer working with buddies or people they golf with or people they can make sexist comments around.
I smell that ever illusive patriarchy...

The best solution is probably to ban all forms of male networking unless acompanied by a properly educated gender studies networking police.
06-23-2015 , 04:22 PM
lol Sputnik.

You missed the point.
06-23-2015 , 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
lol Sputnik.

You missed the point.
No i get your point just fine. You use strong generalizations that fit your narrative. Sad thing is that they have very little to do with the wage gap but thats secondary right?
06-23-2015 , 07:24 PM
You realize that what you quoted had no generalizations in at all, right?
06-23-2015 , 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by AsianNit
Terrorism is a category of crime, defined by violations within that category.

I'm not protecting state actors by not using terrorism to describe crimes that you think are terrorism, I am just placing them in a different category of crime. Referring to that as "protection" is stupid.
What are you doing then? I'm trying to get at the justification for apparently violating the principle of equal justice. But you won't even answer my question as to why, in your view, it's wrong to exclude certain races or ethnic groups from the charge. You sense that your argument can't stand up against such light interrogation.
06-27-2015 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken
What are you doing then? I'm trying to get at the justification for apparently violating the principle of equal justice. But you won't even answer my question as to why, in your view, it's wrong to exclude certain races or ethnic groups from the charge. You sense that your argument can't stand up against such light interrogation.
I am not violating the principle of equal justice.

I'm saying that terrorism is bad stuff committed by non-state actors. Some other terms describe the same bad stuff committed by state actors. It all falls under the category of bad stuff.

Slander is defamation via spoken word. Libel is defamation via written word. They are both defamation.

Your question to me is like asking why I am protecting spoken lies by refusing to call them libel. You are either not understanding me or you are super-invested in being able to label certain governments as terrorist states.

      
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