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Can Mod trolling possibly end well? Can Mod trolling possibly end well?

08-11-2014 , 01:01 PM
I'm seeing lots of defamatory, anti-mod comments ITT. You guys are lucky I'm not reporting them.
08-11-2014 , 01:01 PM
Being objective, 75% of Fly's content is defamation. Let's be honest, endless character assassination attempts are precisely what make him (in)famous around these parts.
08-11-2014 , 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter
So not sure about how insulting someone differs from defaming them. Guess I'll study up.

And def not sure why a forum mod should be off limits while forum regs are considered fair game. Either defamation is wrong and should be prohibited or it isn't (IMO).
I've engage in plenty of smack talk and dabbled in insults as a poster. If you want black and white answers about it, you may want to consider we are dealing with a rainbow.

The broad accusations and implications that racist and other prohibited content is not being addresses is certainly and demonstratively false. Low Key, Trolly, and the gang have made no legitimate complaints. They have no points that aren't pure dishonest trolling. No sign at all they have taken any responsibility for their behavior.

It's sad, I used to like those guys.

Is allowing such dishonest mod trolling really a good way to run a forum?
08-11-2014 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Gizmo
Spank, I really don't think you have the temperament for modding.
Based on what? I stick up for myself when people lie about me. You may wanna think about it before going all-in with the chorus of dishonesty.
08-11-2014 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter
Being objective, 75% of Fly's content is defamation. Let's be honest, endless character assassination attempts are precisely what make him (in)famous around these parts.
Yes, he is good at insults and smack talk. It's actually not that special a characteristic, but can be entertaining.
08-11-2014 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
Based on what? I stick up for myself when people lie about me.
no, you have a temper tantrum when you think someone is questioning your authoritah
08-11-2014 , 01:09 PM
Are we still allowed to make fun of Sklansky posts?
08-11-2014 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
Based on what? I stick up for myself when people lie about me. You may wanna think about it before going all-in with the chorus of dishonesty.
What, exactly, are people being dishonest about? How are you being defamed here? You've made bad decisions, people call you out on them. You flip the **** out and talk about banning people for daring to question your authority. You're gonna get people questioning you all the time as a mod, even in a relatively slow forum as unchained. Either you can have a good sense of humor and learn and grow, or you keep doing what you're doing and sooner or later make a truly terrible decision that winds you up with your name a regular color again.

Or I guess you can do what I did and really piss sklansky off.
08-11-2014 , 01:13 PM
The game being playing is attack and when the object of your attack responds, accuse and attack some more. Notice that.

Low Key makes an accusation about the moderation. If I respond it's because I'm sensitive. Attack/respond/accuse for responding. It seems like a perfect game but the flaw is that it doesn't work when a person is aware of it.

The other thing when this behavior is repeated the pattern shows enough that it is more observable to those with less awareness of manipulative behavior.
08-11-2014 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Gizmo
What, exactly, are people being dishonest about? How are you being defamed here? You've made bad decisions, people call you out on them. You flip the **** out and talk about banning people for daring to question your authority. You're gonna get people questioning you all the time as a mod, even in a relatively slow forum as unchained. Either you can have a good sense of humor and learn and grow, or you keep doing what you're doing and sooner or later make a truly terrible decision that winds you up with your name a regular color again.

Or I guess you can do what I did and really piss sklansky off.

Be the first critic to list some bad decision I have made, explain why they are bad decisions, and please note whether or not I have already acknowledged and taken responsibility for any of them. Please don't become another empty critic like the rest.
08-11-2014 , 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
I find this post defamatory and false. You are succumbing to weak whining and it shows. Walk it back. You want to project your angst at posters on me, and be a whiny little liar about the moderation, I do defend myself rightly and will defeat you like I crushed Dids and Low Key before you.
Hey spank, you lying idiot, you brought my name up, not the other way around. You realize we can actually see the posts you've made itt right?

Thank you for outlining how you do your trolling:

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Attack/respond/accuse for responding
08-11-2014 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Low Key
Hey spank, you lying idiot, you brought my name up, not the other way around. You realize we can actually see the posts you've made itt right?

Thank you for outlining how you do your trolling:
So do you want a pass for your previous behavior that was like Trolly's in this thread? What have you done to clear the history? Sure I got out ahead of the gang this time, I learn from history.
08-11-2014 , 01:33 PM
that's one way to walk it back

what previous behavior of mine? pointing out a racist who got repeatedly banned for being racist? asking you to moderate a thread you were posting in?
08-11-2014 , 01:59 PM
Calling out Spanks for his moderating is really silly. He's Bobo Fettian.
08-11-2014 , 02:18 PM
While I'm not getting the brunt of it, I think the mod complaining is annoying. As I've pointed out before, every time we do any modding, a portion of the community complains.. "duuuuur.... this is unchained, why are you modding, blah blah blah"
simultaneously, you have a group of posters complaining that we're not modding enough.

obviously everyone's not going to be happy. and clearly a lot of people are going to complain.

I personally think Spank is doing a good job and he nicely tries to explain his standards.

We discussed SM a few times. He was a tricky call. And I think we gave him a lot of rope per the nature of the forum and yanked the rope on him several times when he took it too far. And now he's gone. Seems like it all worked out like its supposed to.
08-11-2014 , 02:24 PM
and yet spank cant stop bringing it up, and then threatening to ban anyone who talks about it after he brought it up, while making insane claims of defamation and whatnot
08-11-2014 , 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by lonely_but_rich
Calling out Spanks for his moderating is really silly. He's Bobo Fettian.
yeah I agree
08-11-2014 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter
Being objective, 75% of Fly's content is defamation. Let's be honest, endless character assassination attempts are precisely what make him (in)famous around these parts.
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
Yes, he is good at insults and smack talk. It's actually not that special a characteristic, but can be entertaining.
Your tolerance for Fly is weird. If this is the punch bowl, he's the turd.
08-11-2014 , 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by TwoMoos
Your tolerance for Fly is weird. If this is the punch bowl, he's the turd.
As an unchained mod, My tolerance for fly is the same as any other poster.

I can't make people understand the difference between poster on poster smack talking and sincere defamation of a person. A person can choose imprecisely conflating the two or making note of context and situationally discerning between the two.

Heh, maybe it is a more black and white issue than I previously considered.
08-11-2014 , 03:33 PM
Is insincere mod defamation allowed?
08-11-2014 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
As an unchained mod, My tolerance for fly is the same as any other poster.

I can't make people understand the difference between poster on poster smack talking and sincere defamation of a person. A person can choose imprecisely conflating the two or making note of context and situationally discerning between the two.

Heh, maybe it is a more black and white issue than I previously considered.
maybe this issue is racist

we never know on PU
08-11-2014 , 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
Who said leave the bigots alone? Clearly some people are bigoted towards unchained moderation and I surely haven't left them alone. I simply question the social and personal value of wholly acrimonious methods of facing down bigots and I mostly do so from my own experience.

Now the usual suspects don't want to hear any of this, because it means their angry sacred cow is getting roasted in the process. Should we cry for them? Or ignore the smeers and taunts and move forward despite that kind of behavior? Or shall we kowtow, conform, and surrender to toeing the ineffective angry red line? How about discussion? Can we just haz forums for discussing?
08-12-2014 , 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
Clearly some people are bigoted towards unchained moderation
words, how do they work?
08-12-2014 , 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Low Key
words, how do they work?
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big·ot·ed
ˈbigətid
adjective
having or revealing an obstinate belief in the superiority of one's own opinions and a prejudiced intolerance of the opinions of others.
08-12-2014 , 09:12 AM
you really need to quit being such a blatant liar

i've never pre-judged your modding on here, i've judged you solely on the merits of your actions or inactions

      
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