That is a interesting conclusion you have come to. You should actually ask people how they think about others, as opposed to continuing to assume how people think. If you have the chance to watch KKK videos online, you will note that these folks are public wrt there bigoted views.

I did not go to stromfront to learn about the liberty incident. I am a part time member of Stromfront though, I signed up to opposes the views of S/F members.

I'm interested in the USS liberty topic because AJ recently aired a documentary irt the liberty.

Here is the thing 13 ball, bigots who do not publicly acknowledge their bigotry, will "Just ask questions" about Muslims or Jews.

-The bigot will ask, why is it that while not all Muslims are terrorists, that most terrorists are Muslims?

-The bigot will ask, why is it that so many Jews have control of the banks?

You can find a few folks here on 2+2 suggesting the first point, and you can certainly find folks on Stromfront suggesting the 1st and 2nd point.

lawl, thats cute.

The bigot will ask--why do you criticize a law that calls for the stoning of homosexuals?

This doesn't make any sense--you quoted my post that said "I may be wrong."

No, the penalty goes both ways. What's the penalty to thekid if I call him anti-semetic? His participation here is anonymous and voluntary. This is simple pro/com analysis. I value disavowing anti-semetic posters more than I value whatever "damage" they may incur--even taking into account that I'm wrong some of the time.

Imagine the stakes are higher. I'm conducting a job interview and I detect that an interviewee has some likelihood of being prejudiced against, say, the elderly. It is definitely not unfair to deny that person the job.

What are your thoughts on the people of Brunei?

People lie. Your actions don't match your words.

FWIW, I feel almost zero effect when I am poked fun at for having the view that Islam, Judaism, and Christianity are peaceful religions. Jeremy Lynn is someone I credit for this type of mood, Lynn is a Christian and a heck of a BB playa.

I have been insulted a few times, over in RGT and here in PU, for simply having the view that Islam is peaceful. Now I did lash out at some of the folks in RGT and here on PU for saying bad things about Muslims in general as well as Muhammad, and I feel bad about that.

By this logic, for all we know your a neo nazi.

Do you typically say Salamulakum to people you meet for the first time, or was this an anomaly of sorts? Because my understanding is that it's a Muslim greeting (though not exclusively), and that outright dismissing the, "Are you Jewish?" question and instead greeting him with a Muslim expression is pretty antagonistic...especially coming from someone who does full well know the history between these two groups.

Would you say that's fair?

Also, seems to me that you have infrequent contact with Jewish people, is that true? I say this because you coming across a Jewish man years ago and having a polite conversation was noteworthy to you.

This is borderline at best. Please refrain from name calling ITT, even if it's as relatively benign as this.

That's actually not true, TBH. Not liking rap isn't indicative of racism, neither is disliking "gangsta" rap. Both are ridiculous conclusions to draw about someone. Omitting the "gangsta" part wasn't part of some framing scheme on my end to find something to attack. It's not necessary.

DiB - well there you go. Then my answer is just back to my first post: "words have meaning".

What are you talking about?

I remember this and also would like to know more.

Thekid, direct question, to which I would appreciate a direct response: Do you condone a legal system that sanctions the stoning of homosexuals?

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He thought this thread would become a place where people who've been called racists would band together and commiserate with each other or something. Think he was talking about it in the moderation thread.

You may want to read more of the thread Crash's post was cherry-picked from.

I'd say that white supremacist/nazi "punk" music has and does influence teenagers. I'm searching my brain for the name of the documentary show about this I watched years back. The combination of a vent for anger, plus a space to gather and network at underground shows are key influential factors.

JJ, why would you quote some stuff you posted that makes no sense as if it explains everything?

If someone says something bad about classic rock and someone else simply refers to it as rock in their reply, are you going to go ape**** on them too?

Also, words kinda don't have much meaning because different people use the same words in radically different ways, often while seeming the same on a surface inspection. That's why only an idiot jumps to conclusions about what a person means without bothering to seek clarification.

Right, so if I started posting Neo-Nazi videos it wouldn't be such a stretch to imagine that I was one or at least that I sympathized with them.

I agree. Sometimes they even "just ask questions" about irrelevant 50 year old military incidents.

Which is why I wanted to start a thread where this was the rule and not the exception.

And this is why I have little respect for you. It's not a listener's job to endlessly prompt you for what you mean. And if someone misunderstands you - you can correct them. And it's done and easy.

This idea though that its wrong for people to form an opinion of you based on the words that you write is absurd. The idea that its the listener's job to play 20-questions to find out what you really meant is absurd. The idea that its insulting to be judged on what you say is absurd.

Where did I go ape****?

I totally agree. It's endemic throughout politics but particularly embraced in P.

It's not one-sided if that's what you're suggesting.

The far bigger problem seems to be people insisting that they know what people mean.

Its not a matter of whether they are right or wrong to form an opinion, it's how reliable those opinions are. Insisting those opinion are reliable when the listener is unwilling to put in the necessary effort to make those opinions reliable is the fault of the listener. The listener can quite reasonably decide not to bother but they can't have it both ways without being dishonest.

JJ, we are not writing precise code for a machine to process here.

Johnny Crash explained why he was misunderstood as a racist in the gangsta rap thread, but still gets called a racist.

When you have people who don't question their own opinions, or update their opinions with new information; and rationalize away the harm or social disruption mislabeling people causes, it's not easy and it is not done.

It's a problem, but it's not at all the bigger problem.

The reason its not a bigger problem is because the vast majority of time that somebody is genuinely misinterpreted they just correct themselves. It's like a 3-5 post exchange.

But when somebody drags the 'misinterpretation' into 100 posts and name calling and yadda yadda yadda, but doesn't actually clarify themselves - they're either:

1. Just obnoxious, generally ****ty posters who care more about arguing than actually conveying meaing.
2. They actually weren't misinterpreted but they don't want to admit it.

General thoughts? I don't really have any. I do think the country deserves criticism for having an evil law that calls for homosexuals to be stoned to death.