This is good.

Anyone seen The Road? I must have missed the part where people started forming private security forces in the post-apocalyptic wasteland devoid of any government.

Was that a fictional movie?

No.

Are you sure?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Road_%282009_film%29

Yes, there is a documentary on post apocalypse America by the same name.

Oh. My bad.

Rothbard, who is the most famous expert on the NAP, and who even invented 'anarchism' itself, says you are 100% wrong about child labor violating the NAP. In fact, I've never even heard of any libertarian type who doesn't champion child labor. You are flat out wrong here.

Think about it... if you were right, it would mean the 'free market' was violating childrens rights. And that it took governmental interference, in the form of the "supposedly 'humanitarian' child labor laws" and using 'force', to protect those children from the 'free market'. Do you really wanna be go there?

Yes we do know. Well first of all we could try to use common sense... unfree labor is always going to be in demand, just look at the prison industry complex. But we don't even have to guess. We know for a fact because in parts of the third world Dept Peonage is still flousishing. In parts of the world no governments ever took any action, and as a matter of fact, unfree labor practices have continued to thrive all the way from the early Industrial Revolution... and are thriving today as we post. And this is all a direct result of the 'free market'.

Anyways, I did get 'anarchism' correct. That's what I'm taking away here.

Under 'anarchism' we have every reason to believe that children would work in coal mines, and sex workers would be indentured to brothels, even as children. None of this violates the NAP, and it would all be profitable under the 'free market'. And since you don't happen to own a power plant, all you would or could do was boycott/shun those brothels. And that would be that.

Once again, do I have this correct?

This doesn't make the slightest sense to me, none at all. A 'scapegoat' is used as something to place the blame onto for doing something wrong. I haven't done anything wrong... so I have no blame to place on you, or anyone else for that matter.

And how would me asking you Qs about 'anarchism' possibly shift blame from me to you, even if I had done something wrong to begin with ?? I can only guess this is some kinda drug induced paranoia on your part. !!

I haven't read your whole post yet. I'm just going to break this **** up into two posts.

I've read enough of it to have a pretty good idea that you just completely ignored what I said about scapegoating, ignored everything I said about this thread being a thread on the topic of Anarchism, whatever that means to the posters making the posts, and you will continue to scape goat maker gonna make scape goats.



I admit I'm kind of sympathetic to appeals to authority, on a nostalgic level, I suppose. The problem is, I just haven't read ... well, any Rothbard. I haven't studied any of his stuff, outside of watching a few of his lectures on youtube, and reading a couple articles on Lew Rockwell's site. Regarding Rothbard and the subject of child labor, or slavery, and your criticism here of him, can you please cite which book he spoke on this subject in? I haven't read any of his books, so I'm not familiar with his arguments on this, and since you're you, there's a pretty good possibility you are misrepresenting something he said.

That said, Carl Sagan would work better on me as an appeal to authority.

Strongly disagree on both points.

No its because I use the english language and basic logic.

You use some ******ed redefinition of words just so you can pretend like you're all morally superior and some great thinker unlike most of the other Sheeple. Except you're not. You're like every other person in the world who thinks force is justified under their own moral system and believes everyone else should have to adhere to their system too.

Except ultimately you're sort of a piece of **** about it because you want your personal things like drugs so badly that you're willing to advocate a system that treats a large portion of the human population like garbage with absolutely no say and no power.

But it'll be ok because then you can use drugs.

And of course I forgot to point out that once again Lirva avoids the issue.

But yeah, people on the forum are scared of him because he doesn't back down and addresses the issue... Lirva, I'm pretty sure your mental image of yourself is as dysfunctional as your AC beliefs.

Feel free to go tear a bible up in public to make your point more effectively...

Wait, they made a movie of The Road? Really? I completely missed it.

So extortion to the local bosses. Almost like a "security tax."

Anarchy is tyranny by whoever has the power to impose it.

Only in an ordered, free state with a strong rule of law, can liberty thrive. Such a state is a rare and special thing, so it is the duty of a free people to ensure that those necessary powers the state holds, are kept in check.

That's why the Thomas Jefferson you see on bumper stickers, isn't the Thomas Jefferson who became President, and accomplished things. To further the cause of liberty, Jefferson had to exercise power. That included making war.

Yeah, and it was terrible imo. And I'm a big fan of the book.

Naw, I mentioned your bizarre use of the term "scape goat". If I'm scapegoating someone I must have done something wrong and am trying to shift the blame. What do you imagine, in your fevered little mind, that I've personally done IRL that is blame worthy? How could asking someone questions over the interwebs possibly shift blame to them?

Are you really making up your own little language now? WTF BBQ ??

Maybe you shouldn't list him as an influence if you haven't actually read anything by him. And there goes your paranoia again... tin foil hat much? Rothbard is so far out there believe me, nobody needs to misrepresent his crapola. As for Carl Sagan... WTF BBQ? What could he possible have to do with anything, literally anything at all, in this context?

Anyways, the quote was from the literal "bible" on 'anarchsim', Rothbard's Ethics of Liberty, chapter 14 (avialable full text on mises.org). And it's not just Rothbard, or any appeal to authority, not at all... I've never even heard of a libertarian type who didn't champion child labor. Like I said, if any of them were against child labor... they would be admitting that governmental interference is needed to save the children, and their rights, from 'agression' by the 'free market'.

According to the Wikipedia editors, Rothbard both personally penned the modern version of the NAP itself, and literally created 'anarchism' itself (as well as coining the oxymoron ACism).

Wow, I couldn't disagree with you more. I felt it was true to the near poetic language of the book and the casting of the father and son was spot on. The lack of color, the dreary atmosphere, everything in the film cried out "end of the world" to me. To each his own...

Sorry for the derail, if that's even possible in a thread on anarchy.

I liked it. Not the best thing ever but certainly worth watching.

I haven't watched the new Trek yet but I did like the previous reboot one. I mean, it's obviously not Star Trek like the Star Trek I grew up with but it's better than that nothing imo. But I guess I'm kinda weird because I disliked DS9 for a long time but after rewatching it I fell completely in love with the series.

I liked DS9 once they got more violent.

I think in Lirvaland my business would be to rescue kids from burnouts who smoke plants all day and other drug-addled ****ups. Ive seen what having drug addicted parents can do to kids, its bad. If someone wants to drug away their lives, fine, but keep those ****ups and nee'r do wells away from kids.

- Einstein

[Lirva]You're going to lock people up just for growing a plant! You're sick. You're a fascist! You are what's wrong with the world!

I will walk into your place of business and drop a big pile of manure!


[/Lirva]

It always cracks me up that Lirva thinks nobody in ACLand is going to capitalize on making people afraid of drugs and creating all sorts of private war-on-drug type companies.

Wait, are you criticizing Anarchism, or government?

Hi Neil!


Compulsion is the antithesis of freedom, and the government fundamentally operates exclusively on compulsion, and individuals cannot have freedom under government. While order is necessary, individuals are responsible for ordering themselves, and a hierarchy imposing their version of order on others is immoral.