Jeep Cherokee and Tomahawk missiles. Spreading Native American cultural awareness far and wide.

I am honestly amazed at Spank's ability to come up with the absolute worst argument possible, even to the point I didn't think the argument could exist.

Lol "honestly".
Dumb people say an argument is dumb but don't explain why. Dumb is explainable. I do not think you are dumb, so my "argument" must be over your head. Or you are just another hater.

The reason is because people find it offensive to their culture. It's just politeness not to do something that someone has said offends them. Especially when it costs you nothing.


You don't get to decide how people react to the **** you do. If it goes down like she wears a headdress, someone says they find it offensive and asks her not to, she says she didn't realise and will pick a different costume in future then there's no real harm done in my view. Of course what we see is she wears a headdress, someone says they find it offensive then a million miserable whining *******s come out of the woodwork to make moronic comparisons to things that don't seem to offend people and bitch and moan ad infinitum about knee jerk reactions and 'you can't say anything anymore' and other such bull****.

Why is the merest modicum of politeness too much to ask?

Seams reasonable. Do we yet have evidence any Native Americans have come forward condemning this as offensive, or are we assuming that for them on the internet?

I'm offended by the shallow, arbitrary, and contentious sense of offense. And the guilt trippy insinuations of rudeness about it are terribly offensive.

Now it is on the arbritarily offended posters to start being polite and stop exploiting the emotional appeal of being offended for your dumb forum pile-on games.

I'm assuming. If no one gives a **** then neither do I. I think it's a pretty reasonable assumption however. The Daily show piece talking to real native americans about the washington redskins was pretty clear.

Itt, people do not understand what the Indian headdress means.

How can we tell if they have redskin on the internet? If that is all that qualifies having an opinion here, I find disconcerting. If one person with red skin dissaproves, no costumes for everyone is also an astonishing implication.

To which tribe, and under which Chief?

jfc. This question was answered in the mtv link Hue already posted. Please try to pay attention.

Yeah but selection bias though.

For instance, there were commercials paid for by the Washington Redskins all over the place recently starring NAs who were claiming pride in the Redskins name (I live in VA, team is losing its rights to the name). Don't think either example should be admissible as evidence for even informal discussions like this.

How about people who are offended are the ones with a problem and they need to be responsible for having irrational offended emotions instead of demanding people cater to them.

Some Native Americans are offended white people practice their religion. One denomination of the Native American church even forbids it. So we all now have to cowtow to their arbitrary choice hidden behind an appeal to tradition or face getting called dumb, rude, and ridiculous by people who mostly think they mean well and cite MTV to back their thin arguments on the matter?

Is this for real?

Like those offended by abelist slurs?

I see, well it appears it's a religious thing and some Native Americans do find it offensive, so we should probably honor their wishes. I'll take that off my costume list. Let's hope Danish cartoonists follow suit.

Clown, the point is her intentions matter. Vastly different responses are warranted if she A) hates NAs and thinks that wearing the funny feather hat makes a mockery of them, or B) is NA or values aspects of NA culture and wants to celebrate it through her choice of costume.

Different motives, different responses.

The truth almost certainly isn't either A or B, but for something like this, which doesn't carry any obviously offensive aspects, I think people should really check their assumptions before getting all worked up.

You face consequences for your actions. You have every right in the world to be an offensive jerk. I have every right in the world to call you an offensive jerk for being one. When you go for dinner are you outraged that you have to cowtow to arbitrary rules like not ****ting on the table. The idea that you don't just want the freedom to do X but you want the freedom to do X and for no one to be allowed to call you out for doing X is the most entitled narcissistic bull****. The only person demanding people cater to them is you. Go full blackface if you like I'll fight for your freedom to do so but actions have consequences if you don't like those consequences maybe you stop stop whining for five seconds about people keeping you down and think.

Perhaps you should write an email to the natives that were offended in the MTV article hue linked that you didn't read either I guess. You know better I'm sure.

This is how a reasonable person responds to a situation like this. No entitlement, no whining, a little snark at the end (I think) but on point at least. It doesn't have to be an ideological battle every time.

There is a difference between a slur and a costume. One is normal to get offended by the other is not.

Know better about...what, exactly? Her intentions behind wearing the costume? Because in this instance I think it matters. Do you?

Here's a question. What percent of NAs (IYO) would be offended by seeing this costume worn on halloween? How would that percentage change, if at all, depending on the motives of the wearer? Ditto skin tone or gender of the wearer.

Because, IMO, unlike many grossly and overtly offensive costumes, being offended by this without any regard for her intentions just isn't justified.

So, first you are claiming there was nothing obviously offensive but have backed off that and it's a percentage game now? LOL. The mtv article describes pretty well why it doesn't matter if she intended well or not. It still offends people.

She wanted to wear something sexy for Halloween. Not the worst motivation in the world but let's not pretend there's anything noble about it.

For instance: I was given a ruana (like a poncho) by my wife's uncle, which is a traditional article of clothing in his region. Would it offend you to learn I (blue eyed gringo) walk around wearing this from time to time? Because I think that speaks more to your assumptions than my inherent racism or cultural insensitivity or WTF ever.