Suzzer,

Totally off subject here, but the chiefs aren't really that big a thing are they?

Rep,

And again again, the point was originally that there was a model for less racism among TJ's peers.

You derailed that.

orly? 3.50 mins on wiki-

he was good to his bitches tho

You notice how the Harvard students are rolling their eyes and literally facepaliming once or twice in these youtubes I'm posting? (spoiler: Baldwin wins 540-160) That's today's educated world watching you, dog. This whole "I care about stopping racism but I just happen to agree with the policies of the segregationists" isn't some new rhetorical trick that you guys have hit upon --Buckely was pimping that **** out fifty years ago. Man, at least William F Buckley managed to avoid directly copying material from Stromfront, so it anything, you guys have lost a few steps.

going to bat for slave owners, not really a good look these days

and btw microstakes, you expanded on your "original point" by saying that in many ways TJ's day was more liberal than generations succeeding it (your words bro, not mine). i said this was preposterous and in several ways tried to provoke you to provide some sort of reasoning for that claim. you were like, something something andrew jackson and religion. and i was like, lol.

I'm going to bat for Thomas Paine, John and Abigail Adams, Alexander Hamilton who never owned slaves, Samuel Adams who maybe never did, and Benjamin Franklin who freed his and became an abolitionist.

Don't understand why you guys are on micro's jock about this one.

And there were guys like that during Reconstruction, and no slave rapers, so...

Hmm, I didn't realize stromfrt went back that far, lol. I've learned so much about it from you.

Look, you treat the politics forum like it's just some place to troll for a good time, apparently skimming posts looking for similarities to segregationists arguments instead of trying to understand anything or anyone. In doing so, you've misrepresented me and just about everyone else here. I don't have any faith in any opinions you hold, and neither should anybody else.

My jimmies are not rustled this time, except maybe I'd like Wookie to see through this point.

I did get a little side tracked and that's what happens. Many people here are very anxious to give any post the absolute worst possible reading. w/e.

Are you a smart guy, Foldn?

They have terrible role models. Speaking of...

Nope.

I mean, you don't have to be a genius. Just, like smarter than the average racist.

w/e, this is definitely not the place for that discussion. As I said, I was side tracked and would like to just make the point here that TJ doesn't deserve the excuse that that's just the way it was back then, because it wasn't. His behavior was abhorred by some people even in his time.

Nope. A smart person wouldn't hang around here.

Alright, conceded. So what do you bring to the conversation, then?

Not much, apparently. Good night.

That’s the same line of reasoning Bill O’Reilly employs by saying that blacks are 5 times more likely to commit violent crime. In that while it’s true statistically, since the numbers represent an iota of a percent of the black population the statement is more prejudicial than probative. So when an average Ferguson cop is working 160 hours a month and searches 1.6 black motorists per month, that works out to 1 search per 100 hours on duty. I don’t see how you can ascribe racial animus to that. Granted, that’s higher than the national average, where an average cop may only search a half-dozen or so black motorists a year, but it’s such a rarity anyway, I don’t know where that line should be.

Cops aren't on traffic duty for all of their 160 hrs/month. But more significantly, why does something have to be maximally racist in order to be racist?

Where did this "2/3 of America don't share your views" nonsense coming from? Duffee's poll? Because that poll sure as **** didn't say what some posters are taking it to mean.

Again, why are we just looking at numbers of traffic stops and fines and not the actual disproportionate violence the Ferguson police carried out against the black citizenry?

You still don't get it. Ghandi terrible stance on gays is not even 1% as bad as enslaving a human being. His crime could be overcome with enough good traits.

Jefferson's crime was not being a hypocrite. It was being a slave owner. The hypocrite aspect is only necessary to bring up because it proves that he was aware of his crime.

Meanwhile the things he did to ameliorate his crimes might have done a lot of good but they weren't done because he was a good person. He was merely a good thinker.

I would also like to add as an aside that you should stop bringing up that he would have been financially ruined had he freed his slaves. Putting aside the fact this was probably not true, given his fame, what does financial ruin have to do with anything? Its OK to seriously harm others who don't deserve it to avoid it?

That doesn’t matter. If an average FPD cop were to search only 2 black motorists every two months instead of 3, or alternatively 1 more white motorist every few months, he wouldn’t be a racist pig. The numbers aren’t significant.

Probably for the same reason where not talking about police violence in general, over-incarceration in general, or why we’re no longer talking about the over-militarization of police departments.