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A little off topic, but as far as I am concerned, funny insults are the only good thing about this place and certainly the only reason I come here. I do find the implication that the big thinkers here are actually doing Real Important Work to be pretty amusing. If only we were sufficiently serious, logical and courteous to each other, maybe we could finally get to the bottom of today's most pressing social quandaries, like "is it OK to own and rape slaves."

I'm glad you and others have openly admitted you don't take discussing politics seriously.

Mod note: Moved from Alta. Expect subsequent BruceZ hijacks to be merged into this thread.

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03-18-2015 , 03:33 PM

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A little off topic, but as far as I am concerned, funny insults are the only good thing about this place and certainly the only reason I come here.

That's fair enough.

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I do find the implication that the big thinkers here are actually doing Real Important Work to be pretty amusing. If only we were sufficiently serious, logical and courteous to each other, maybe we could finally get to the bottom of today's most pressing social quandaries, like "is it OK to own and rape slaves."

If they didn't pretend they are doing important work with their insults that might be fair enough.

Though if it's not of any value than there's no excuse for not behaving like half-decent human beings.

03-18-2015 , 03:33 PM

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I mean, just lol at coming back to the Thomas Jefferson argument. Nobody was ever arguing it was okay to own and rape slaves, we were arguing Thomas Jefferson shouldn't be considered "scum." The argument that his owning slaves makes him scum by default is fine, as long as you're willing to think of everyone who lived 200 years ago as scum for one reason or another, since they all did things we consider scummy today, like treat women like property, beat their children and rape 12-year-olds.

03-18-2015 , 03:40 PM

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Owning and raping slaves was not a universal practice. In fact, a whole lot of people figured out it was deplorable, even TJ's peers. Jefferson was even more markedly hypothetical than other slave owners that he knew personally.

03-18-2015 , 03:45 PM

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TJ seemed to know it was deplorable, which makes doing it more scummy. He knew he could get away with it is all, and not even lose the respect of his peers.

03-18-2015 , 03:48 PM

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Assuming you mean hypocritical, absolutely. He had figured out it was wrong, yet he didn't sell off his slaves and go into financial ruin. Those of us who understand global warming are all hypocrites for driving cars too. It's terrible what he did, and you're welcome to think he was scum, despite his other accomplishments, despite that others like, say, Abraham Lincoln revered him and may never have emancipated the slaves without his influence. As long as you think he is scum though, I really don't know why you give the rest of the child molesters a break.

03-18-2015 , 03:50 PM

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We did discuss this at length in a thread that I thought was quite good.

You meant 'hypocritical' btw.

03-18-2015 , 03:51 PM

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Thread has déjà vu.

03-18-2015 , 03:55 PM

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I didn't mean to actually start this topic again, FTR we already established that raping slaves is morally equivalent to driving. BTW I took the train to work today, you scumbags.

03-18-2015 , 03:55 PM

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We did discuss this at length in a thread that I thought was quite good.

You meant 'hypocritical' btw.

I did. Lol autocorrect

03-18-2015 , 04:02 PM

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I didn't mean to actually start this topic again, FTR we already established that raping slaves is morally equivalent to driving.

Of course, nobody did that either. Look, you do good work. You're funny. In the sports forum that is fantastic, because anyone who takes sports too seriously has it coming. Politics ought to be taken more seriously than sports.

03-18-2015 , 04:02 PM

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It's also not the same thing, but there has been a lot of conflict in historically Black neighborhoods in LA which have become predominantly Hispanic. A lot of Black people have moved out in the outlying areas near Palmdale, San Bernardino, and Riverside. Socioeconomically it was pretty much a lateral move.

03-18-2015 , 04:42 PM

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If you're the rare duck who looks, talks and swims like a duck over the course of several duck sightings, then congrats- you're a goose making really stupid/intellectually dishonest-for-some-other-reason arguments.

Doesn't work so well with posters who tend to think everything that doesn't smell like a rose smells suspiciously like a duck.

03-18-2015 , 04:46 PM

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I demand proof JiB is a racist and not just more assertions of "because we said so". If JiB is unexpectedly proven racist beyond some posters agreeing with each other's cynical, self-important, doubting mockery of a political opinion, I would like an answer to this mostly unanswered and important question: When does JiB stop being a racist?

03-18-2015 , 04:50 PM

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Doesn't work so well with posters who tend to think everything that doesn't smell like a rose smells suspiciously like a duck.

Racist opinions will get mocked

No fiascos have occurred

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03-18-2015 , 04:50 PM

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...yet he didn't sell off his slaves and go into financial ruin...

Dude, why do you imagine freeing his slaves would put him in 'financial ruin'. Assuming his plantations were viable... he could have freed, then joined, them and continued working that land as peers.

However, not wanting to free other human beings, simply to avoid having to work for a living and enjoy the benefits of privilege... that's pretty scummy.

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... It's terrible what he did, and you're welcome to think he was scum, despite his other accomplishments, despite that others like, say...

I heard TJ was pretty good at the maths too !!!1!

03-18-2015 , 04:55 PM

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Yes

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Oh? Okay, good response. Look, what I see here with guys like you and Dibs, et al, are people who are very concerned, have great ideals and lots to say, but when solutions you think should work won't for obvious reasons, the answer is to call people who plainly see that racist. I'm sorry, but that doesn't help anyone's cause.

03-18-2015 , 04:59 PM

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I agree it was scummy and he should have done better, I just don't think overall, based on his other accomplishments and influence he had forming the first modern democracy, he should be considered scum. Why won't you and others who think he is scum admit that by your own measure everyone of that day was scum for one reason or another?

03-18-2015 , 05:01 PM

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Dude, why do you imagine freeing his slaves would put him in 'financial ruin'.

Heh, to be fair, TJ was in financial ruin anyway since he was terribad at managing his money. For all his pretense at loving the simple farming life, Jefferson spent money like baller, and he was never any good at actually managing his farms.

03-18-2015 , 05:04 PM

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To be fair TJ is long dead and there is no apparent benefit to having moral outrage now when discussing him. It appears such outrage gets displaced because TJ is long dead and no longer alive to curr how mad bruhs are about him.

03-18-2015 , 05:09 PM

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Meh, Dave Chappelle encapsulated it perfectly when he talks about him and his white friend travel back in time and meet George Washington.

His white friend is like, "That's George Washington the great founder of our nation. I'm going to go over and shake his hand."

Dave Chappelle is like," Run n*gger, run! It's George Washington!"

AND THEY'RE BOTH RIGHT

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03-18-2015 , 05:16 PM

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I mean, if you want to treat NIMBYism as a valid argument, and not just NIMBYishm but really dumb NIMBYism like the, ahem, "poor" are going to start stealing when they move to the neighborhood, be my guest.

Its pretty stupid and probably racist, but you seem to have already concluded its a valid argument and thrown your hands up about how to solve the problem.

That's going to be your answer to everything btw, throwing your hands up and saying "well, even if it is a problem, this solution isn't perfect and wont solve everything and some people wont like it, so we cant do that". This isn't the first batch of "realists" that have moved through here, we know how the story ends.

Right, the story usually ends by you guys trolling the crap out of anyone who wants to discuss the merits of the problems and solutions until they give up and go away because everyone who disagrees with you, aka, most of the country and world, are hate-filled probably to most definitely racists. Almost forgot stupid. They're all stupid too.

03-18-2015 , 05:18 PM

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Why not? If the ultimate problem is white people are too disposed to self interest over anything else to make any changes then who cares if some feelings get hurt?

03-18-2015 , 05:19 PM

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Please enlighten me further on the merits of white people wanting to keep thieving blacks out of their neighborhood because it hurts property values? Sure, this story is a century old, but maybe you have some new insights about why this isn't racism.

03-18-2015 , 05:24 PM

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Why not? If the ultimate problem is white people are too disposed to self interest over anything else to make any changes then who cares if some feelings get hurt?

Two things. No problem hurting anyones feelings, least of all racists. However, your idea of who is and isn't racist is sorely lacking, and that tactic of calling just about every white person racist who's not on "your side" is simply ignored and/or ridiculed by most people in the mainstream. You've got a good cause though.

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