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01-12-2017 , 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Like, when you say this, are you implicitly arguing he isn't a white supremacist or that white supremacists should be allowed to argue their points without fear of banning? There's this whipsaw between that **** with you people every ****ing time.

I do not think it is an unreasonable rule for a private forum to not want to be Stormfront. Certainly a forum CAN be safe harbor for white supremacists, but you seem to think there's some principle that means every forum should be.
Haha, Milo is a ridiculous troll, and you're just jealous he's more popular than you. Lol, it would be fun to see you two get into it. Wait:

01-12-2017 , 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Issues like, uh, the existential threat Middle Eastern immigration poses to Western Civilization? Right?
I have never made such claims, I have however truthfully brought up problems that we are dealing with as a nation with unparalleled mass immigration from third world countries where Islamist ideology is common place. It has effected everything. Our education, healthcare, police force and housing capacity is under dimensioned for the task we have taken on. Our political landscape is changing rapidly due to these problems.

Foldndark, I was about to post that Milo Youtube. Maybe FlyWf could give that poor student a good rebuttal here?
01-12-2017 , 01:47 PM
Interesting that Yiannopoulos's intended punchline was an attempt to insult the student by calling him disabled.

Is this typical of the 'alt-right', because it sounds pretty typical of neo-Nazis?
01-12-2017 , 01:49 PM
Taking on the guy with the microphone in a debate is usually a hiding to nothing. Especially so in an audience that's come to see him.
01-12-2017 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Taking on the guy with the microphone in a debate is usually a hiding to nothing. Especially so in an audience that's come to see him.
Yet the question remains. Why is he a white supremacist? He does not identify as such and claims that white supremacists hate him!?

Like what are his actual white supremacist views?
01-12-2017 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
Interesting that Yiannopoulos's intended punchline was an attempt to insult the student by calling him disabled.

Is this typical of the 'alt-right', because it sounds pretty typical of neo-Nazis?
Yes, and now for the king of the alt-right neo-nazi's (NSFW) George Carlin.
01-12-2017 , 01:58 PM
@Marn I really know almost nothing about him. That's a fairly determined effort on my part although I slipped and watched that video.

I have him in the 'pointless celebrity why dont you just **** off' catagory
01-12-2017 , 02:00 PM
Also interesting is his repeated use of the 'black friends' defence against charges of racism, given a new twist with claims of a multitude of sexual relations with black guys (something not easily refuted).
01-12-2017 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Taking on the guy with the microphone in a debate is usually a hiding to nothing. Especially so in an audience that's come to see him.
Kind of like trying to argue with Fly over in P, eh?
01-12-2017 , 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
Yes, and now for the king of the alt-right neo-nazi's (NSFW) George Carlin.
Carlin's point is obviously not racist.
01-12-2017 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
Kind of like trying to argue with Fly over in P, eh?
01-12-2017 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
Also interesting is his repeated use of the 'black friends' defence against charges of racism, given a new twist with claims of a multitude of sexual relations with black guys (something not easily refuted).
How about first making your case of why he is a white supremacist before nitpicking his defense?

Who knows, you might show me stuff that will convince me. Pointing out that he works for Breitbart is not a sufficient argument.
01-12-2017 , 02:13 PM
AFAIK (not very far...) Milo isn't a white supremacist. Certainly not in the way that Richard Spencer is. It's more like he's in the camp that denies that racial discrimination exists and which holds that liberal activism on the subject is reverse racism. Much like he's in the camp that denies that gender discrimination exists and which holds that feminism is the real sexism. I think he tends to focus a lot more on gender issues than race issues.
01-12-2017 , 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Marn
How about first making your case of why he is a white supremacist before nitpicking his defense?

Who knows, you might show me stuff that will convince me. Pointing out that he works for Breitbart is not a sufficient argument.
How about understanding that I'm questioning his tactics and how an off the cuff remark may say a lot more about what he thinks than various non-falsifiable denials do.

Also understand that I've no intention of watching more of his ****, unless there's a particularly egregious section that someone links to.
01-12-2017 , 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
Carlin's point is obviously not racist.
You're right of course, but just to be clear, calling someone a ****** makes you like a neo-nazi?
01-12-2017 , 02:34 PM
Milo pretty much owned him silly for most of that video. But at the very end calling the guy stupid and disabled was just lame. Calling the other side stupid is a tactic that some people use to dismiss Trump voters, and its been shown not to be very effective at persuading people.
01-12-2017 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
You're right of course, but just to be clear, calling someone a ****** makes you like a neo-nazi?
A few years ago, perhaps; now, not so much because that insult has become so commonplace on the internet that's it's almost replaced the word 'idiot', which itself replaced...who knows.
01-12-2017 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
AFAIK (not very far...) Milo isn't a white supremacist. Certainly not in the way that Richard Spencer is. It's more like he's in the camp that denies that racial discrimination exists and which holds that liberal activism on the subject is reverse racism. Much like he's in the camp that denies that gender discrimination exists and which holds that feminism is the real sexism. I think he tends to focus a lot more on gender issues than race issues.
that explains why he went after the black actress in ghostbusters and left the white actresses alone
01-12-2017 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
AFAIK (not very far...) Milo isn't a white supremacist. Certainly not in the way that Richard Spencer is. It's more like he's in the camp that denies that racial discrimination exists and which holds that liberal activism on the subject is reverse racism. Much like he's in the camp that denies that gender discrimination exists and which holds that feminism is the real sexism. I think he tends to focus a lot more on gender issues than race issues.
Milo doesn't believe anything. He's an Elmer Gantry. (With the usual conman's history of serial failure to pay people he owes money to.) Quite nice in person, I gather, but then they always are.
01-12-2017 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Marn
Yet the question remains. Why is he a white supremacist? He does not identify as such and claims that white supremacists hate him!?

Like what are his actual white supremacist views?
You seem to be falling for his rhetoric. Take a look at his breakdown of the Alt-Right.

He does belittle so-called "1488ers":

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Every ideology has them. Humourless ideologues who have no lives beyond their political crusade, and live for the destruction of the great. They can be found on Stormfront and other sites, not just joking about the race war, but eagerly planning it...Based on our research we believe this stands in stark contrast with the rest of the alt-right, who focus more on building communities and lifestyles based around their values than plotting violent revolution.
The problem is that this is merely a rhetorical game. Milo is disavowing the 1488ers, then declaring that the rest of the alt-right is reasonable.

Really? Let's see. In his disavowal of the St0rmfr0nt crowd, he cites "Alt-right vlogger Paul “RamZPaul” Ramsey." But Ramsey himself is a white nationalist, a Holocaust denier and a terrible person:

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“If I were the EU president I would appoint Breivik as head of the refugee commission. We nee some creative solutions.”
Milo on other white nationalists:

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Alongside other nodes like Steve Sailer’s blog, VDARE and American Renaissance, AlternativeRight.com became a gathering point for an eclectic mix of renegades who objected to the established political consensus in some form or another. All of these websites have been accused of racism.
They've been accused with good reason.

It seems that Milo wants to redefine "white nationalists" as neo-nazis who openly want to start a race war. Whether he himself believes it or not I have no idea. But he obviously wants to make white nationalism (as practised by Spencer, et. al) seem more palatable.

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01-12-2017 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
You're right of course, but just to be clear, calling someone a ****** makes you like a neo-nazi?
Can it make you susceptible to being used by neo-nazis, fascists, totalitarians, and authoritarian pseudo-nihilists?
01-12-2017 , 03:07 PM
Noodle, he called her a dude, that is sexist not racist.

13ball,

I think it is really easy to tar someone by 'guilt by association', so he cited a white nationalist, that seems like is a weak argument. He hasn't actually advocated white nationalism or supported their views. You are setting a pretty unrealistic standard IMO.

I did some searching and he doesn't even seem to talk about racial issues very often. He seems to troll the feminist movement a whole lot though.

01-12-2017 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Marn
Noodle, he called her a dude, that is sexist not racist.
And how many of the white actresses did he call dudes?
01-12-2017 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
Can it make you susceptible to being used by neo-nazis, fascists, totalitarians, and authoritarian pseudo-nihilists?
I dunno, but if so, I gotta say you and I could probably indict half the forum as neo-nazi tools, and I'll stand guilty as charged as well. I'll never tire of term "Politard," it describes us so perfectly!
01-12-2017 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
And how many of the white actresses did he call dudes?
Perhaps he thought that only one of them looked like a dude? Is he habitually calling out black women and leaving white women alone or are we going to settle this racism accusation on a sample of one?

I won't deny that he is a professional troll though.

      
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