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01-22-2015 , 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by well named
Truth herds
Nice
05-12-2015 , 10:33 PM
An algorithm for finding the most odious posters:

For threads with 100+ posts total, posters who have contributed more than 50% more posts than the third highest post count in the thread, minimum 50 posts for the poster.

Rationale: Such posters are typically dominating the conversation, trolling, or engaging in prolonged one-on-one back and forth that derails threads. The high volume baseline ensures this catches only the most egregious examples.

Here's the list of such occurrences for PU forum history (not archived, dating back to May 2013):

Silver_Man2 9
spanktehbadwookie 6
Proph 3
Deuces McKracken 3
jjshabado 2
sputnik3000 2
DudeImBetter 2
airwave16 2
LirvA 2
ikestoys 1
FoldNDark 1
chezlaw 1
JiggsCasey 1
FRYTWO 1
FlyWf 1
wil318466 1
Low Key 1
SenorKeeed 1
MrWookie 1 (Note: this was a Sheep thread he was leading)
LetsGambool 1
DblBarrelJ 1
Gamblor 1
Your Boss 1
It's Brandt 1
Cwocwoc 1
Sommerset 1

Last edited by ctyri; 05-12-2015 at 10:38 PM.
05-12-2015 , 10:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ctyri
An algorithm for finding the most odious posters:

For threads with 100+ posts total, posters who have contributed more than 50% more posts than the third highest post count in the thread, minimum 50 posts for the poster.

Rationale: Such posters are typically dominating the conversation, trolling, or engaging in prolonged one-on-one back and forth that derails threads. The high volume baseline ensures this catches only the most egregious examples.

Here's the list of such occurrences for PU forum history (not archived, dating back to May 2013):

Silver_Man2 9
spanktehbadwookie 6
Proph 3
Deuces McKracken 3
jjshabado 2
sputnik3000 2
DudeImBetter 2
airwave16 2
LirvA 2
ikestoys 1
FoldNDark 1
chezlaw 1
JiggsCasey 1
FRYTWO 1
FlyWf 1
wil318466 1
Low Key 1
SenorKeeed 1
MrWookie 1 (Note: this was a Sheep thread he was leading)
LetsGambool 1
DblBarrelJ 1
Gamblor 1
Your Boss 1
It's Brandt 1
Cwocwoc 1
Sommerset 1
Damn, that methodology is solid. Confirmed rogues gallery of ****posters, with the exception of Wookie.
05-12-2015 , 10:43 PM
Man, I want to know my threads!

Edit: Looks like one is the moderation thread. Can't figure out the other.
05-12-2015 , 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
Man, I want to know my threads!
One was being #2 in Jiggs containment thread. The other was along similar lines, maybe #2 to Deuces in a thread which you two dominated.
05-12-2015 , 10:48 PM
Ah, the Jiggs thread.

Phew, I'm fine with my two.
05-12-2015 , 10:49 PM
Hey guys that rationale is totally arbitrary, and ctryis bias are confirmed suspicious, but you tell who enjoys this place by who participates huh?

Notice how the odious-behaving ctryi made an accussation of odiousness. Such an odious and arbitrary poster. He wished rape on a dude once.

Can we get stats on how mad and for how long ctryi has been that people disagree with him and his behavior ITF?
05-12-2015 , 10:50 PM
Oh, and jjshabby is another exception. Mods should probably be excluded from that analysis.
05-12-2015 , 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
Can we get stats on how mad and for how long ctryi has been that people disagree with him and his behavior ITF?
The stats are in, you are the maddest (active) blowhard across the forum.
05-12-2015 , 11:01 PM
If we exclude current mods and one-fers, we get...
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Silver_Man2 9
spanktehbadwookie 6
Proph 3
Deuces McKracken 3
sputnik3000 2
DudeImBetter 2
airwave16 2
LirvA 2
05-12-2015 , 11:02 PM
I think the methodology is solid for finding people that are dominating the conversation - I just don't agree that it's always bad.

For example Jiggs' thread is peak oil - which he started and which he's obviously in the minority and so is more 'responsible' for representing that side. To a similar degree Deuces is the same way with 9/11 (although that doesn't excuse all of his threads).

I wonder what the numbers would look like if you removed any thread included here where the poster was also the OP of the thread.
05-12-2015 , 11:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jjshabado
I think the methodology is solid for finding people that are dominating the conversation - I just don't agree that it's always bad.

For example Jiggs' thread is peak oil - which he started and which he's obviously in the minority and so is more 'responsible' for representing that side. To a similar degree Deuces is the same way with 9/11 (although that doesn't excuse all of his threads).

I wonder what the numbers would look like if you removed any thread included here where the poster was also the OP of the thread.
The Jiggs OILLLL thread and Deuces 9/11 threads are **** threads dominated by **** posters not interested in a debate of any sort.

The methodology stands.

05-12-2015 , 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ctyri
The stats are in, you are the maddest (active) blowhard across the forum.

Those stats reveal a most persistent and consistently accurate counter-racist (spanktehbadwookie) kept par with the most active and eventually banned racist (SM2) in contributing this community during that time period. I can tell you many of the topics I posted about. I enjoy posting. I'm thankful for my privilege to have free time to post and if you want to make a problem about that you might wanna check it. What is it? It's it.

So anytime you are ready, step off please?
05-13-2015 , 04:49 AM
What was my thread?
05-13-2015 , 04:51 AM
Oh I know what it was, this thread.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/21...hread-1451811/

That was actually excellent poasting on my part imo
05-13-2015 , 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
I think the methodology is solid for finding people that are dominating the conversation - I just don't agree that it's always bad.
Dominating the conversation? I don't think that phrase is so applicable to online discussions. It's not like there is a group of people sitting around in real time with many people wishing to voice their opinion but who are stymied by one blowhard is shouting everyone else down. Everyone has the opportunity to contribute in this format.

Sometimes posters take positions which are challenging the majority, as I do. So the majority attacks and the minority defends. By the nature of this dynamic, the defenders of the minority opinion will have more posts as they address the points of a greater number of opposing posters.

As it plays out, I think the so called odious posters are actually the mannered gentlemen of this forum (relatively speaking). I'm sure an inspection of the actual content would reveal that the minority opinion posters maintain a much higher ratio of content to ad hominems compared to the swarming reactionaries who fell emboldened by their majority numbers to act any which way. It's a pretty disgusting display of mob mentality in some ways.
05-13-2015 , 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
I think the methodology is solid for finding people that are dominating the conversation - I just don't agree that it's always bad.
Bans should be incorporated somehow, bit unfair on fly otherwise

Plus if ctyri want's metrics on the most odious posters we need stats on who is so odious that even your awesomely tolerant PU regime has to step in. How many bad posts = a rape post that has to be deleted?
05-13-2015 , 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ctyri
The Jiggs OILLLL thread and Deuces 9/11 threads are **** threads dominated by **** posters not interested in a debate of any sort.

The methodology stands.

The methodology doesn't even deserve evaluation. Your 'analysis' is nothing but a weak, hollow, broad brush attack on posters with less popular viewpoints who are willing to engage with an entire group of people trying to discredit them in between some occasional instances of real debate.

Case in point, I took a look at the 911 thread today to see what I had missed. LV introduced an argument against the NIST theory that thermal expansion could support their theory that one support was moved off it's seat, leading to the global collapse of building 7. LV was called names by multiple posters. One poster lazily linked to some other people in some other forum who attempted to substantially refute the argument LV was making. Other than that there was nothing offered from the majority but ad hominems directed at LV and the people originating the argument. In spite of that, LV tried several times to steer the argument towards substance but to no avail.

And you cytri, dumbass poseur that you are, had nothing to say besides to make fun of some unrelated statements made by some people also affiliated with the organization to which the author of the argument is affiliated. You are the one not interested in any debate, and your posting history shows that beyond any question.
05-13-2015 , 11:10 AM
Looks like a better algorithm than StanfordModBot.
05-13-2015 , 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ctyri
An algorithm for finding the most odious posters:

For threads with 100+ posts total, posters who have contributed more than 50% more posts than the third highest post count in the thread, minimum 50 posts for the poster.

Rationale: Such posters are typically dominating the conversation, trolling, or engaging in prolonged one-on-one back and forth that derails threads. The high volume baseline ensures this catches only the most egregious examples.
Deuces rationale is more solid:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken
Dominating the conversation? I don't think that phrase is so applicable to online discussions. It's not like there is a group of people sitting around in real time with many people wishing to voice their opinion but who are stymied by one blowhard is shouting everyone else down. Everyone has the opportunity to contribute in this format.

Sometimes posters take positions which are challenging the majority, as I do. So the majority attacks and the minority defends. By the nature of this dynamic, the defenders of the minority opinion will have more posts as they address the points of a greater number of opposing posters.

As it plays out, I think the so called odious posters are actually the mannered gentlemen of this forum (relatively speaking).
I'm sure an inspection of the actual content would reveal that the minority opinion posters maintain a much higher ratio of content to ad hominems compared to the swarming reactionaries who fell emboldened by their majority numbers to act any which way. It's a pretty disgusting display of mob mentality in some ways.
ctyri's "odius poster" metric more accurately describes troll feeders.

Programming an algorithm that flawlessly catches insults is extremely difficult; but luckily a cursory, manual prodding of the applicable threads will reveal the truly odious posters, involving minimal effort on the reader's part.
05-13-2015 , 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by problemeliminator
Hulk Hogan messed up your analysis because he always refers to himself in the third person
Brother, the almighty power of Hulkamania is so incredible that mere words are incapable of describing it. Even though the Hulkster boasts of his mighty feats in the ring all the time, he's still underrepresenting his hand.

      
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