So they already found a way around the "checkpoints are violating the 4th amendment-thing"? And given the checkpoints the US has installed all over the world, why is it so unreasonable of Proph to think, that it is gonna get worse? I'm not saying, it has to, but that it could. It is kinda hard to think that about the society you live in, heck in Switzerland DUI checkpoints are the most accepted thing ever, and I do not think a turn to tyranny is near, but then that is what my jewish ancestry thought in 1939. In hindsight they were unbelievably naive idiots. Restrictions on the freedom of movement are superdangerous. So is drunk driving, I am sure Proph get's that. But so is driving per se.

There was a study about people who think to the extreme, that only victimless crimes should be punished (for example no laws against drunk driving), and it shows, that they have different brains than other people (whatever that means). So I started to call it the libertarian neurological disorder. But then I think, that nobody should be punished, so I accept, that I am a complete ******.

That was kinda mean. Howard's a good guy.

Lol drunk driving is not a victimless crime, holy **** what are you smoking?

Threads like these we need a Sam Kinison gimmick. RIP Sam.

as long as you dont run into nobody who are you victimizing

What? Ah ok, I didn't actually realize that this is in contention. Maybe it is a language problem? What does victimless mean? Is this a special US legal term EDIT: used differently than in philosophy for example?

damn straight, Mitch Hedberg too

Yourself? The spirit of humanity?

edit: the ghost of Sam Kinison?

Ah got it, so posting on this board is actually a crime. Already gained a grey hair. But then I think grey hair is sexy, so damn, what to do, what to do?

It's sorta like saying shooting at someone and missing is victimless because you didn't hit him that time. Um, no. The potential for harm is so great and very real that it is an absolute laughable joke to call it "victimless" unless you wanna get into some semantikes style argument in which case you'll look like a bigger ****** than you already do

In either case, go **** yourself.

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This is the answer except that it's impossible over the short term or even the mid long term. Meanwhile the bodies keep piling up.

Im sure the community just needs to be stopped and frisked more to help them respect the law and improve attitudes.

seems like if we could just make it harder for the criminals to buy the guns it would end all the gun violence.

Universal background checks, tighter mental health screenings, banning assault weapons, banning 10+ round magazines. If we could just make new laws to require these things all that silly violence will quickly go away.

The violent criminals aren't following the current laws that ban felons from purchasing guns, and people from shooting and killing each other. but that is only because the old laws are racist. The old laws are obsolete these days because we have computers and the old laws were based mainly on racism and profiling.

Once we demand action with newer and betterer laws, the shooter will realize the game is up and he's not allowed to do that anymore. Why can't everyone understand how simple it is?? geezy pete

Well, there are different categories of crimes. Just because a crime is not victimless does not mean, that it is not a crime (for most people). They are just not called victimless. And I really think, this is a needless semantics argument only in your head, since the philosophy of law has argued about this for centuries. What you are talking about is endangerment or potential harm. But these crimes are usually considered not to fall under the harm principle per se.

EDIT: But I guess that in the US this could be completely a different discussion than in mainland Europe, that is why I was asking.

If he wasn't so vile it would be sad watching Howard get played like a fiddle by the more with it racists, but he's gone full Howard so I'm just laughing

What's so racist about Stop and Frisk, you 1/2 Fly? I proposed a solution to the disparate impact objection and I'd like to know what your other objections are.

The stop and frisk solution that you proposed is every bit as unicorn and fairy dust as strict gun control laws.

I'm no Stringer Bell but I'm thinking a few decoys on the block would make stop and frisk a recreational activity for gangbangers to waste cops' time.

I'm almost certain that murder rate in NYC has dropped substantially for minorities since stop and frisk began IE there are a lot fewer minorities that are murder victims now.

If we want to bring race into this, what was the racial makeup of the murder victims in Chicago this weekend?

Gun Deaths Shaped by Race in America

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Gun deaths are shaped by race in America. Whites are far more likely to shoot themselves, and African Americans are far more likely to be shot by someone else.
The statistical difference is dramatic, according to a Washington Post analysis of data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. A white person is five times as likely to commit suicide with a gun as to be shot with a gun; for each African American who uses a gun to commit suicide, five are killed by other people with guns.

Where a person lives matters, too. Gun deaths in urban areas are much more likely to be homicides, while suicide is far and away the dominant form of gun death in rural areas. States with the most guns per capita, such as Montana and Wyoming, have the highest suicide rates; states with low gun ownership rates, such as Massachusetts and New York, have far fewer suicides per capita.

You are advocating a police tactic that will without doubt lead to a drastic drop in the rate at which blacks are murder victims and yet you are labeled a racist and vile. Idiots gonna be idiots.

Thinly veiled brag imo

Don't be idiotic, just because a tactic involving the suspension of liberty would 'work' doesn't mean it's appropriate to implement it. You could just as easily say that the way to end the violence would be to lock all the people in those neighbourhoods into cages.

As opposed to Chicago where its been skyrocketing without stop and frisk right?

Howard, did it upset you when Dylan went electric?