If you don't look like you live in the neighborhood, you will also be stopped and frisked. In my case my bicycle was stopped and frisked (and threatened to be impounded for no reason, 89.99 bike from toys r us...lol). Everyone is getting stop and frisked. If you live in the neighborhood you will probably be stopped more often because of more opportunities.

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Thanks for your answer! But I am not sure, I got it, sorry. So stopping without suspicion (checkpoint) is not ok, but to stop an individual because he is suspicious is. So stop and frisk is problematic because it doesn't target suspicious individuals but often a race? But why are many then arguing one should stop and frisk everybody with the same probability or so?

Stop n frisk, like a DUI checkpoint, doesn't rely on any reasonable suspicion. In both cases, a person is searched simply for being present at a certain location.

If a cop sees a person driving (or behaving during a regular traffic stop) in a manner that suggests intoxication, they may have reasonable suspicion in that case.

The US is a common law jurisdiction. With these kinda issues sooner, or later, SCOTUS is going define what is really legal through case law.

In the US a cop isn't supposed to be able to detain someone, in a car or on foot, without at least what passes court muster as a "reasonable and articulable suspicion". For example, a drunk theoretically can't be pulled over unless there is some particular reason the cop had in mind... for example, erratic stopping and starting, or failure to track lanes.

NYPD's "Stop and Frisk" searched pedestrians indiscriminately. Even if it wasn't targeted in a racist, and classist manner, or it targeted woman and older folks too... in fact even if it targeted everyone, as Howard Beale has championed... this is all a gross violation of the Fourth Amendment.

Quibble Corner: LOL@ saying Proph was thinking about the limited exception SCOTUS has carved out regarding sobriety checkpoints (or even is aware of such things).

Ah got it, thank you! So it is in the end an argument over whether you could be suspicious by being in a place as long as you accept the premise, that it is ok to stop and search suspicious people?

Summer holidays lead to gun violence.

Laugh-In was so huge that Nixon came on to say Sock it to me.

Crazy how folks in Wyoming and Montana were able to keep from shooting one another on the 4th. Maybe they don't have guns out there?

Or they need to drive 50 miles to see a neighbor?

They have guns but no people to target.

Thanks MD, I think I understood now! To be honest, I think Proph was arguing more this "theoretically can't" point. But well, slippery slopes are often stupid.

All armed up and no one to shoot.

Wrong, this is not how stop and frisk works at all. It's totally up to officer's discretion.

Proph doesn't want drunk driving laws on the books at all, which is what is LOL.

DUI checkpoints and stop and frisk are both unconstitutional. They are not specifically for DUI or getting guns off the streets, they are really checkpoints for anything we can give you a ticket or arrest you for.

DUI checkpoints are usually set up with a "checkpoint" ahead sign, and at least in Nevada, require a way to turn to avoid the checkpoint.

By driving past the sign and not turning onto the side street or parking lot, it is deemed to be giving consent for the search.

I think the rule here is that they have to publicize them in advance (although not the exact location) and they have to stop every X car and cant deviate from the plan. I like your requirement better, I think they make it so you don't find out its a DUI checkpoint until you cant turn, although if you see sudden random "construction" spring up on a Saturday night you can probably guess what's happening.

Howard- Go **** yourself, you worthless coward. The day you age out of the electorate will be the first and only day in your life you make this country a better place.

IIRC this is also how they do it in Cali too. Also, I'm pretty sure they also always publicize the times & places... I know they often do, and there's an 'app' for that.

What? First off turning around after passing a checkpoint ahead sign doesn't usually end well for the driver. Also what if that is the only way to get to your destination? Why not just say by driving your car on a public road you consent to search?

We could try changing the culture. We need people to respect the law and respect those that work in law enforcement (they're not "pigs").

We don't need new laws. Using "stop and frisk" is a desperate measure, and it doesn't get at the root of the problem. The root is in common attitudes, such as support for "no snitching".

To match Howard's anecdote about his 90 year old mother, I've traveled by air on average probably twice a year for the better part of two decades. Never once have I (White male) been given extra attention by TSA.

My wife (Dark skinned Colombian), since living here, has gotten additional TSA searches more often than she hasn't. The three times she traveled this year she was pulled aside.

Variance though, surely, amirite?

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The onion weighs in:
Environmental Study Finds Air In Chicago Now 75% Bullets

http://www.theonion.com/articles/env...w-75-bu,36407/

And holidays in the spring with gun violence are a "gateway" to Summer holidays gun violence