Howard, I'm glad to see you and glad you are posting in unchained.

Cheers!

Sock it to... me?

My main reason for watching that show:

Yea they did that to my WWII veteran dad. He has refused to fly ever since.
Like staying out of the areas with the most gun violence? How about having the Illinois National Guard help patrol some of the high crime areas.

That was everybody's main reason for watching the show, Howard.

Did you own any Doors LPs? Which ones?

They are not trained for that and I don't think that the state can afford it for long anyway.

Sadly, every ethnic/racial and economic group would have to be stopped and frisked equally regardless of results. The TSA knows that they don't have to search my 90 y.o. uncle who has to show his hip replacement card when going through the metal detector but they do it anyway for a reason.

I would've gladly used my 'one time' for her.

Prob all of them.

One more and then I stop answering unless it's unavoidably clever.

Yes, we should aspire to make police more like the TSA said no one ever before now.

Glad to see you dropped using the police chief statement in your argument since he clearly is referring to stricter gun laws, which you dismissed out of hand.

Any policy talking about stopping and frisking rich white people as somehow being a politically viable option is sheer lunacy. "Hey, we raised taxes and cut other services to give more money to police so you can be stopped and frisked for weapons outside your trendy coffee shop" will fly exactly never.

What went wrong?

He's mad as hell and he's not going to take it anymore.

Sad indeed.

ZOMG... this is all so wrong.

At this point in history, the term "Stop and Frisk" is a term of infamy... or a dog whistle. Just like prating-on about 'States Rights' isn't a good tactic if you wish to discuss US-style federalism, so to with prating about "Stop and Frisk".

At this point in history, the term "Stop and Frisk" is uniquely identified with the NYPD enforcement policy of that name.

The infamously racist, classist, IMO unconstitutional, and unquestionable both odious and evil NYPD enforcement policy. As an adult, I've only spent one full day in NYC... and I'm pretty proud I found time on that day to help shut down Broadway during a march in opposition to "Stop and Frisk".

No Justice, no Peace.

But of course, Howard Beale previously argued in favor of NYPD's "Stop and Frisk". And now he says... sure, let's extend that to privileged people in the affluent areas too. Or in other words...

Let's just all repeal the 4th amendment. ZOMG.

We've had stop and search in the UK for a while now. It's always been a controversial piece of leglislation and is currently under review.

BBC News

Interesting that three times as many searches were illegal as those that actually resulted in an arrest. Stop and search actually caused an increase in crime!

53 shootings in one weekend in one city? From a UK perspective I just find a figure like that to be truly staggering.

Howard, I know critical thinking isn't really your thing, otherwise I'd point to the part of the quote where the police chief refers to Federal and State laws he wants to change while stop and frisk is a city policy.

But you do have access to Google yes?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/07/justic...html?hpt=hp_t1

Or, if you don't have access to google, how about from your own link?

He wants stricter gun laws.

lol Howard. Cute eye pictures though. Stick to the old timer anecdotes about what a brave guy Sheriff Joe is and worry less about public policy changes.

The part quoted is perfectly illustrative of what happened and can stand alone. After the hand wringing they all cry up gun control when there's nothing else that they can do but, while waiting for what's not going to happen short of Tinkerbell sprinkling her pixie dust, I'd try something else.

I left one out:

I thought ending welfare was your solution? Did you read the part where even if they stop and frisk someone and find a weapon the person isn't doing time?

Minority groups do thank you for your tireless work at finding solutions that just happen to roll back their rights. Say hi to Sheriff Joe for us.

For perspective, 10 fatalities is about 1/3 of the total UK gun homicide figure for a whole year.

Not only is Stop and Frisk super gross and racist, you have to be a complete ****ing idiot to think it's a solution to the violence in Chicago.

You're too dumb (and hateful) to have these conversations Howard. They'll only further expose you as a sack of crap.

Legalize drugs, LDO.

Can someone who is against stop and frisk but laughs at Proph in the other thread for being against traffic stops for drunk driving explain to me, a foreigner, what the difference is? Why is it totally laughable to be against both of them?

We need to make a distinction between DUI checkpoints and individual traffic stops for the suspicion of DUI. That distinction should make it obvious.