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14 killed, dozens hurt in Chicago shootings.

CHICAGO (AP) — Extra police officers on Chicago's streets weren't enough to quell a long weekend of violence that ended with 14 people shot to death and dozens more injured.

During a Monday news conference, just hours after two more people were shot to death earlier in the day, Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy said his department's best efforts could not prevent the bloodshed that spiked dramatically on Sunday. Chicago's total of 53 shooting incidents for the holiday weekend easily eclipsed Detroit and New York combined, which had a total of 46 shooting incidents, 10 of which were fatal.

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"There has to come a tipping point where this changes," Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy said Monday of the violence. "The illogical nature of what's happening here -- that government can intercede and prevent this from happening is overwhelming. And I refuse to think otherwise in a great country like America that we can continue to allow this to happen -- not just on a state, but on a federal level."

Stop and Frisk? Something else? What else?

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07-07-2014 , 08:34 PM

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Veteran With Concealed Carry Permit Shoots Back At Chicago Gunman

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07-07-2014 , 08:48 PM

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Marlin Williams' niece Tonya Gunn was among the nine victims, killed in a drive-by shooting Sunday night while she was cooking food on the grill. Her 11-year-old daughter witnessed the shooting.

07-07-2014 , 08:57 PM

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Why stop at stop and frisk? People may have guns smuggled in from nearby jurisdictions in their homes. Doesn't the logical conclusion of stop n frisk thinking lead to house to house searches?

07-07-2014 , 09:13 PM

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Just ban guns obviously....

07-07-2014 , 09:20 PM

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Howard, didn't you advocate for stop and frisk in NYC in some other thread? What's up with your hard-on when it comes to this practice, which almost necessarily involves racial profiling?

07-07-2014 , 09:29 PM

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Howard, did you ever watch Laugh-In when you were a kid?

07-07-2014 , 09:36 PM

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Stop and Frisk? Something else? What else?

Accept that violent crime is getting lower and lower, and not give up vital rights to speed up the process?

07-07-2014 , 10:08 PM

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Howard, didn't you advocate for stop and frisk in NYC in some other thread? What's up with your hard-on when it comes to this practice, which almost necessarily involves racial profiling?

Yes, I advocated for it bec, as the Chicago police chief said, their best efforts couldn't prevent the carnage, guns laws aren't going to be changed substantially, and I care enough about all of the dead ppl to want to do something about it.

Why, btw, does it necessarily involve racial profiling? All that has to be done is Stop and Frisk everywhere in the city and all classes and racial groups will be stopped and frisked equally.

07-07-2014 , 10:09 PM

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Howard, did you ever watch Laugh-In when you were a kid?

JFC, just come out w/ w/e insult you intended w/o beating around the bush.

07-07-2014 , 10:10 PM

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Marlin Williams' niece Tonya Gunn was among the nine victims, killed in a drive-by shooting Sunday night while she was cooking food on the grill. Her 11-year-old daughter witnessed the shooting.

Oh ****, that happened? My bad, we definitely need to randomly stop black men on the street now. You got me, Howard, you finally converted me.

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Why, btw, does it necessarily involve racial profiling? All that has to be done is Stop and Frisk everywhere in the city and all classes and racial groups will be stopped and frisked equally.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Tell you what, when New York starts stopping and frisking everyone equally, we can roll it out to other cities. But only then.

Spoiler:

07-07-2014 , 10:12 PM

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Hint: the police chief is advocating for tougher gun laws.

Hint 2: stop and frisk will last about two days if the police start frisking random white people in the rich areas of the city.

07-07-2014 , 10:12 PM

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Why stop at stop and frisk? People may have guns smuggled in from nearby jurisdictions in their homes. Doesn't the logical conclusion of stop n frisk thinking lead to house to house searches?

No. There are a lot of ppl w/ illegal guns in their houses for protection from the predators. Every now and then in NYC some bodega owner would get in trouble for shooting would be robbers w/ his illegal gun and get a great amount of public sympathy.

The difference is intent. If you're carrying on the street the implication that you intend mayhem is valid, imo.

07-07-2014 , 10:14 PM

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Why, btw, does it necessarily involve racial profiling? All that has to be done is Stop and Frisk everywhere in the city and all classes and racial groups will be stopped and frisked equally.

Is that all? Well s***, then it must be super easy for you to identify a time that stop and frisk (or the like) was implemented without an onslaught of profiling claims surfacing not long afterwards.

And I think you can identify things which could be done other than frisking at will whoever looks "suspicious," or however it is that cops are supposed to go about this.

07-07-2014 , 10:18 PM

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Tell you what, when New York starts stopping and frisking everyone equally, we can roll it out to other cities. But only then.

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OK w/ me. Stop and Frisk everyone equally. I further think that you've got the spoil part wrong. If this were happening in middle and upper class neighborhoods I think there'd be a clamoring for Stop and Frisk in those neighborhoods.

07-07-2014 , 10:19 PM

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Oh ****, that happened? My bad, we definitely need to randomly stop black men on the street now. You got me, Howard, you finally converted me.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Tell you what, when New York starts stopping and frisking everyone equally, we can roll it out to other cities. But only then.

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I would pay cash money to see Bloomberg stopped and frisked.

07-07-2014 , 10:20 PM

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So just kinda suspend the 4th amendment, like martial law or something?

07-07-2014 , 10:23 PM

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You are right, there has been profiling. That can be fixed by frisking w/o profiling just like the TSA has searched my old mother in her wheel chair so that they can avoid that charge.

Can you give an example of 'things which could be done other than frisking'? The commissioner said that the police department had given their best effort.

07-07-2014 , 10:25 PM

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JFC, just come out w/ w/e insult you intended w/o beating around the bush.

Is that a no? Just trying to imagine what you were like in the late 60s. Were you more of an Ed Sullivan Show fan?

07-07-2014 , 10:27 PM

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So just kinda suspend the 4th amendment, like martial law or something?

Got to do something. Some government lawyer could prob come up w/ a way so that it can be done constitutionally. Either that or let the bodies pile up.

07-07-2014 , 10:31 PM

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Is that a no? Just trying to imagine what you were like in the late 60s. Were you more of an Ed Sullivan Show fan?

I watched them both and they both had very high ratings.

I watched All in the Family also in the dorm lounge which I'm half surprised didn't float off into the air due to the amount of pot smoke in the air.