Winning_TD, I hope that is true that something is being/will be done. All I've seen so far is that players I've contacted the ACR and BCP security departments about -- there are other players that have been identified by other people I know -- are still being allowed to play and have been winning tickets in the freerolls. In one case, one of these players won a 4 figure cash prize in the $320 satellite.

I'm losing faith.

What troubles me TD is that I believe that if this person had not been so dumb as to use the same screen names would they ever have been caught? And since one idiot was able to do this who is to say there are not many others doing the same thing. I think I will be holding off playing on WPN until I feel secure that there is not a problem.

with the $540 million dollar gtd. tournament coming up i agree with you chopsy2, i find this very alarming and quite troublesome. Say this guy didnt use the same screename, exactly who would have caught him?

As i have said before we have a security department that works 24 hours a day literally. Players may be able to set up numerous accounts but let me assure you it does not benefit them if by luck they somehow manage to win money. I will be very honest and say it is very easy for me to go to any site and create numerous accounts but when it comes to depositing, withdrawing or having any kind advantage by doing this will only cost myself money.

You guys have to understand its not a fault on our end its just some players who want to try and ruin these freerolls and affiliate tournaments for the rest of you.

Once again i will say that no one will benefit by ''cheating'' of any kind.

I have been very honest with you and there is only so much i can say about certain cases.

Winning_TD...at a forum that regularly runs games at BCP one of their members posted a screen shot they took for The Nuts freeroll from today [09/25/2014]. It was a Black Chip Poker lobby. As far as I know it was only to run on AmericasCardroom. It didn't show up on my Black Chip Poker lobby and all my filters are turned off.

Explanation?

I cant give you an explanation without a TID.

Tournament ID #1816594.

If it makes any difference at all I am 99.44% positive that I saw a previous tournament that was supposed to be on Black Chip Poker only, tournament ID #1815249, was briefly also listed on AmericasCardroom. This enabled a few players who noticed this to register from both rooms.

And, the admin of the forum affiliated to the latter tournament is planning to report the multiaccounting in that tournament to the security department.

P.S. I do appreciate all the concern that you showing for these issues. It's just that they seem to be revealing some sizable holes in the network integrity.

I am not really sure you understand the issue at hand here. First of all why would you say it is not your fault some people want to ruin the freerolls? Do you think this could only happen in these tourneys? The real issue TD is the fact that someone not only registered multiple times for the same tourney ( regardless if it was a free roll or not) using the same name from the same computer and was to actually able to play in this tourney brings the security of the site into question. I am sure if you see it from the players perspective you would understand this.

He's not wrong that WPN can't help that some people WANT to ruin freerolls or any other tournaments. WPN cannot control the motivations of others.

That's not the same thing as saying they're not trying to do anything about it.

I must say I disagree with this to some extent. While WPN can't control what some people may WANT to do, they can control if they succeed. My whole argument is that this person should never had made it as far as they did especially considering how blatant their actions were. To me it shows a serious lack of systems in their security dept. and really makes me wonder how much of this is going on at WPN that nobody knows about. So like I said before, until I feel that this is not a problem I don't feel like putting any of my dollars at risk of being cheated.

Just as a side note, but has anyone at WPN considered how this one tournament results were affected because of this situation? My understandstanding is that the bigluckygus accounts were frozen but they were not removed from the tourney. This means some players benefit by having dead money at their tables and since this person was able to play for awhile this means some players lost chips to this accounts. Would a better solution be to cancel the tourney and run it again? It almost seems like WPN was trying to sweep it under the rug. Just some food for thought.

Oh my gawd, what a bunch of babies. No wonder customer service is so bad on WPN. A thread full of part-timers ripping the only person they can cuz ' my fweewoll is being cheeeeted'. 'Waaaahhhh'. Fwiw, you can make multiple accounts on any poker site (see any zeejustin thread), the trick is not getting caught. There are still US players on stars, there are still multiaccounters on stars. Other players will look to cheat. This is poker.

Same people in here in every thread, don't play everyday, but come here to ruin the sites rep, cuz they lose. Somebody get some pull-ups and calm these children down.

Umm not sure but you saying we should just accept cheating and move on? And I could be wrong but zeejustin didn't have 12 different accounts playing in the same tourney at the same time from one computer. To me very different circumstances. And fwiw I am not trying to ruins wpns reputation. In fact if you have read any of my past posts you will see I am a big supporter of the site. But to me it seems there is a big leak in their security which needs to be looked at. I don't really feel I am out of line thinking this way.

As i said before.. it wasnt one person from one computer.

As maybe_memories said, if i wanted to i could go onto any site and create multiple accounts but it really wouldnt benefit me in anyway as you would get caught, banned and if you did happen to make any money it would get frozen.

Our security department is very good and non stop working. Unfortunately you cannot eradicate this and people doing things like that altogether.

I am sorry you dont trust us but take it from me players that do things like this do not benefit, infact the complete opposite.

I wont be posting in this thread anymore as there is only so much detail i can go into in cases such as these.

Please explain the stealthy 'cheating' you see here? Is this how you would cheat? Clearly you didn't know this about US poker sites, but you can create as many accounts as you want. Do you play many tournaments on WPN? I can name 5 guys that play all the time and talk on Skype the whole time they play. Are they colluding? Probably.. Can I still win? Clearly.. So I guess I won't throw a hissy fit.


Pretty sure bonomo was playing multiple tournaments, under multiple names, with multiple computers. You should also remember (2007?) WCOOP ME winner Kasino successfully won that event as a multi account but then had winnings seized and account closed.

My point is you created this thread to completely trash WPN's security. You have mentioned the word in every post in this thread, and continue to act like you have never seen someone trying to cheat before.

This situation is so blatant, the only time a thread should be made is if WPN says having 15 bigluckygus's in one game is ok, and did nothing about it.

I mean, I know we are talking about a free roll ( a f'ing free roll!!!) but there isn't much incentive to cheat in regular games, as there is 3 hour late reg and unlimited re-entry. This means all regs have to bust 3-50 times anyway. I just don't get why this is an issue.

If it was the way you wanted and WPN banned anyone who had multiple accounts on any skin, you wouldn't have a player pool left. Same with merge obv...

To put some perspective on issues like this.. Online poker has been around quite a while now. I think we are entering a new generation of players on US facing sites that weren't around pre-BF (not sayin this is chopsy or anyone else), and have become a little spoiled by the way pokerstars runs things. Things were not always so pleasant...

Having played long enough to remember the days before sync breaks and ICM FT chops, I think of online poker a little differently. It was nothing to see verrry similar screennames throughout a tournament. Instances of obvious soft play at FT's. Many, many multi-accounters. Horror stories in threads dealing with all kinds of different issues. Slowly, with stars setting the bar, things got a lot better. SOP on issues changed and the sites really started looking after the players.

So, to me, this isn't even an issue. Many more problems to worry about atm..

first of all you need to get your facts straight, i did not start this thread. secondly, you are completely missing my point. the point i am try to make has nothing to do with this particular tournament. it has to do with the overall security of the games. i mean if this one idiot was able enter the the same tourney 12 times from the same computer and FROM THE SAME SKIN to me that should raise quite a few eye browses. i really think you need to check all of the facts regarding this issue. the system should have been able to prevent him from logging in under a different screen name once one of his other screen names was registered. i remember once i register for a tourney on carbon, got disconnected and accidentally tried to log in on another skin and the system stopped me. that is what should have happened in this case but the player somehow circumvented the system, that is my issue.

[QUOTE=Winning_TD;44737355]As i said before.. it wasnt one person from one computer.


I am always very honest with you guys, our security is very good chopsy take it from me people do not get away with any form of cheating or collusion

Obv need to get the facts right on who started the thread but I'm still missing your point. Obv the question you are asking can be answered fairly quickly. If you have a desktop and a laptop simply create a new account on whichever skin you chose to, and try to register a free roll with both accounts.. Chances are you won't be able to. Now this theory can debunk the theory that you can somehow do this from the same computer.

Software might exist to hack the system. And somehow obtain a different IP address from the same computer, but you see where this is going right? Awful lot of work for a free roll. On top of the fact that if you're ever caught, it was all for nothing because you get nothing.

All of this on top of no evidence that playing on multiple accounts on the same skin can be done. If there is a security issue on the scale you are talking about, then this is the first time it's been exploited.

Or maybe there just isn't an issue at all and some blokes were having a laugh at the expense of some poor chap.

That clears up some of my confusion. Just a simple typo in an earlier post.

Since I started this thread, thanks so much for thinking you can read my mind. It was not started to trash WPN's security; it was to bring a blindingly obvious and troubling issue to light.

If I have overused the word, I apologize. I don't always have a thesaurus handy.

Yes, you're right I have seen this before. On Revolution. And know what happened when security was alerted to this fact? Accounts were frozen, money seized. In less than a week. And those players haven't been seen since.

Have they created new accounts? Maybe. But if security is on top of things, they'll have to falsify information about themselves or get someone else to set up the account(s) for them.

There was confusion about what exactly was going on with all the fake accounts that wasn't clear as the time. What had happened became clear as the tournament progressed.

I guess some of us aren't as blase about this sort of thing as you are. Some of us want to make sure we're all on a level playing field. At least to the extent that we can do anything about it. It's something that's supposed to be engrained among players: ensuring a fair game. I hope you are an extreme minority in which the thinking is: shoot any angle you can.

It's obvious now that there are others -- at least one anyway -- that don't give a rat's ass.

Yeah, it was? So f'n what? These were NON-REBUY and NON-REENTRY tournaments and some people decide that they were allowed to reenter.

No? Think someone wouldn't skip from one skin to another to reenter a tournament if they went 'roll-busto on one skin but had money on another? Or that someone wouldn't multiaccount if they could multi-cash or improve their position self-chip dumping?

But, yeah, in general, anyone adequately 'rolled probably wouldn't need to multiaccount a re-buy/re-enntry/late registration tournament. Does not mean they still would not want to.

I don't even know what WPN or any other skin considers that situation re: multiaccounting.

G'lord. What exactly does that say about the WPN player pool?

Ok clearly that was a bad typo... please excuse me that really did set fuel to the flame!

If you have a desktop and/or a laptop and/or a tablet and/or a whatever, why do you need software?

IP address or MAC address? If you need a unique IP address how do husbands/wives, fathers/sons, siblings, etc. play the same tournaments when they are all in the same location? [Yeah, yeah, let's divert this to collusion concerns now.]

This one seemed to inspire some to work around the rules a little harder.

I never meant to suggest multiaccounting from a single skin. If that is possible, at all, it would seem to take a lot more fancy dancing to accomplish. My concern is players who play multiple accounts across skins in multi-skin/network-wide tournaments.

I provided examples of these occurrences to ACR and BCP security including links to information where the players confirmed that they were the owners of the accounts on each skin. "Luis" at ACR security indicated that an investigation was to be done. Nothing was ever heard from BCP security.

From what I've seen it's not so much having a laugh as as campaign of harrassment.

Well thanks for clearing things up a little TD, but i do have a question for you. Since there were 12 bogus accounts then that must mean there were 12 people involved on 12 different computers correct? And since the tourney was exclusive to ACR any less than 12 people involved would mean at least one person would have to have at least two separate accounts running on one computer. I am sorry but something does not add up here.

I cant go into more detail.. Just be assured that our sec dep does its job well.

You guys bitching about this do know that all they had was a play money account for the most part right? It would be much harder to do with real money play as then you actually have to put real info about yourself for deposits and withdrawals. Play money all you gotta do is make a screen name and a password. This seems way to blown our of proportion imo.