That's fine and all, but you still need to small stakes tournaments to attract that maximum amount of players.

The million will attract a bunch of regs from Pokerstars, but it will do very little to bring in new recreational players.



The past 2 nights that tournament OVERLAYED and cost the company money.

While the $11 crushed the guarantee by $3,500-4,000 on the same nights that tournament overlayed. Clearly, people would rather see more $11 tournaments on the schedule.

I think a case can be made for boosting guarantees on some $11s without having to rip on their other tournament offerings. I would love to see an $11 15k

Agreed.

I'm glad to see the additions. I'm skeptical, but glad.

I'm just disappointed the $11 aren't getting additions/boosts.

Part of the reason I'm frustrated is that it makes it harder to boost guarantees on $11 tournaments now because buy ins are going to be sent to $33 tournaments instead.

I actually believe there is element of shadiness on the part of the WPN for doing this...

Players that play in $33 tournaments have larger downswings than players that play in $11 tournaments. This creates a situation where players who make final tables at $33 tournaments are less likely to cashout with a profit because they're still trying to generate a profit after digging themselves out of a hole. $11 tournaments are more likely to have recreational players that show up to the site, bink a profit for $3,000-5000 and then cashout and leave the site for 6 months. WPN doesn't like that. They want players keeping their roles on the site so they can rake it, but it's dumb because they're losing the "word of mouth" marketing that makes the site appealing to new players.

New players are more likely to show up to the site if they hear about their friend making $4,000 in a $11 tournament as opposed to their friend only making $2,000 after being in the hole $2,000-3,000 because they were forced to play in the $33 tournaments as opposed to $11 tournaments.

^^ That is an absurd accusation. Thinking we have certain tournaments so players wont cash out.

This is just Saturday. Relax. Just wait until you see the rest of the days when im done.

^^^

I don't think it's "absurd." I think it's pretty spot on.

It would explain why you're increasing the guarantees on a tournament that consistently fails to meet the guarantee. Those overlays are more than made up for by motivating players to keep their roles on the site in order to dig themselves out of the hole your tournament schedule put them in. That allows you to rake their roles more.

It's like this...

$11 buy in with $10K Guaranteed =about $2,500 for 1st place

$33 buy in with $10K Guaranteed =about $2,500 for 1st place

So, you're forcing players to invest more, and "coincidentally" pay 3 times as much rake, for the same profit. This generates less profit for the player and more motivation for them to keep their role on the site so your company can rake it.

You can't rig the RNG without getting caught, but you can rig the tournament schedule. Or, can you???

YOU JUST GOT CAUGHT.

LOL!

I am literally dumber for having read the above comment, I really hope you're trolling. If the guarantee is the same, odds are the field size will be ~1/3rd the size which if you ignore skill difference in buyins would give you a 3x higher frequency of actually winning the top prize.

Rig the tournament schedule? W.T.F.? That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Believe it or not, they actually (and intentionally) set every single game on the schedule.

Like Thrash said, using basic math and all....

Rig the schedule....next thing you know, they will put their biggest games on Sundays to take undue advantage of all the extra players.

Which, gets offset by 3 times the size of the investment and 3 times the size of the downswing.

or 3 times the size of the upswing

You're still a long shot to final table in either scenario.

You don't increase your chances of final tabling by 3 times just by downsizing the size of the field to 1/3. Your logic is totally flawed.

Well, you do, but you're talking 0.015 versus 0.005 if the fields are 600 and 1,800. Big freagin deal. A long shot is a long shot. It's a multi-table tournament. Not a Sit and Go. Make it more appealing to the masses by requiring a $11 buy in for a $20K as opposed to $33. You'll never attract new players with a $33 buy in. You can keep those on the schedule for the regs, but get some more $11 up to attract more players. You don't attract new players to the game with $33 buy ins. You do it with $11 buy ins.

You really think a bunch of broke college kids have $33 to buy into a tournament? I'd like to see the player pools increase, personally. Plus, I don't think factoring in the higher skill level of players in $33 tournaments as opposed to new players in $11 tournaments. There's a lot more rec fish in $11 tournaments.

Carbon Poker in 2012 had $11 buy ins for $10K Guaranteed nightly and they were a fraction of the size of this network. Why does WPN have nothing bigger in 2017??? It doesn't make any sense to me.

Ok to put this to bed.. I dont make a schedule on putting tournaments that will overlay so players will keep on playing. I put tournaments that people like so they come back and play everyday.

Again, it is absurd thinking that is what even crosses my mind when making a schedule.. Im not even that clever to think of it

Why not put up a daily $15K with a $11 buy in, then?

The $10K's hit $14K consistently. You can handle a $11 buy in $15K. If you really wanna "put it to bed" then go ahead and put that up. I'll likely never post about it again. Until a year later when I'm demanding a $25K, of course. LOL

Oh, we agree on that. LOL/jk

You're just doing what you're told. I don't think you really make any decisions. You just do what your told by Phil and his investor buddies and take the flak here when their stupid decisions get made. Which, are the people I have a real problem with, at this point.

I really don't have any problem with you bro.

Well you would be 100% wrong... I pretty much have free reigns on what tournaments i put.

No stupid decisions have been made, if you look at what ever decision people think was stupid or has been stupid then from where we were 2 years ago to where we are now tells its own story.

As i said.. I am going to be working on the weekly schedule for the next 2 - 3 weeks.
Im sure there will be some good things there

Then, why did it take so long to get $11 buy in $10k's up when Carbon was doing that in 2012?

They also had 2-3 hour late registration on those and hit the guarantees. That was when they were ranked like 20th on Pokerscout, too. You guys are ranked 5th, or 6th and still don't have daily $11 buy in $10K's.

and look where they are now?

He strongly hinted that you'll get what you want and then you continue to tear them apart. What are you actually trying to accomplish here?

What I want in 2017 is actually an $11 buy in $20K DAILY and an $11 buy in $10-15K NIGHTLY, but because it took 5 years for them to put up a single $11 buy in $7,500 GT daily I now have to beg for one single $11 buy in $15K GT daily.

Which, WE (not me) still probably won't get.

Why are you cheerleading for their incompetence? That's the new America, I guess. You act like a plate full **** is a gourmet meal.

And, what does that have to do with anything?

Genius level stuff here. Have you tried yelling at clouds instead?

Have you tried whining about bots to clouds?

They'd probably give more of a **** about them than most good players. LOL

Why don't you go waste some more time asking the site to remove terrible players (the bots)? Why do you think WPN does nothing about them? It's because they suck and good players could care less that they're there.

FWIW, I think WPN has built a pretty impressive group of tournaments. They have come a long way in a few years.

Yeah, it only took them 5 years to get a $7,500 tournament with an $11 buy in. A tournament their competitors were offering in 2012.

They're moving at a blinding pace.

I'm looking at Ignition's schedule on their website. not the client. So, I could be wrong, but they seem to have REMOVED their $10K GT with the $11 buy in. Isn't their business model designed to decrease the profits of winning players??? I wonder why they would take those tournaments off their schedule? Hmmmmm.

It seems more and more that you were on here in the past, ranting and raving at WPN or some other network, got banned, and are back with a new account.

Wtf don't you get? They have said they are completely redoing the schedule for the new year, why not see what it offers instead of endlessly bitching about something that you want? I have wanted some FLHE games, but would not embarrass myself, or credibility, by stomping my feet and crying about it for 90% of my posts. At the very least, stop acting like such an entitled doosh and expecting WPN to meet your personal demands.

Randomly capitalizing entire words, making line bold, sarcastic 'hmmmm' ****, are you 14 years old?

I waited a year for them to redo the Saturday schedule and it's mostly mid-stakes tournaments with a $30 buy in and up.

They're ignoring the micro-stakes area, yet again. If they'd stop doing that I'd stop posting. They've been ignoring it for 5 years and it's one of the most important aspects of online poker. That's according to Pokerstars, not me.

If you're gonna ***** at me for trying to get the micro-stakes tournament schedule upgraded with bigger guarantees after Pokerstars made that one of their top priorities in 2016, then it's you who lacks the credibility. You understand that it increases win-rates at higher stakes cash games when you have a better micro-stakes schedule? Do you understand that micro-stakes player deposits last longer when the micro-stakes tournament schedule has bigger guarantees? That's the reason Pokerstars put so much focus on the micro-stakes MTT schedule in 2016. They're MTT schedule post black Friday caused player deposits to be lost 40% faster because they removed most of their big micro-stakes MTT offerings from the schedule when they lost their player pool. They never made an attempt to replace those offerings until 2016. Now, they have returned the MTT schedule in the micro-stakes range to where to reflect the schedule pre-Black Friday and it worked. Win-rates went up and player deposits started lasting longer. It's important for the entire ecosystem.

The micro-stakes tournament schedule is a feeder system to higher stakes cash games and tournaments. It brings in new players to the ecosystem that were never there before.

That's why it's so important.

Agree or disagree with you is irrelevant. TD has said the new schedule has been completely redone, why not give him a chance to publish it in a few weeks and then continue the *****? You seem to want to argue the point more than anything. Let the new schedule come out with no improvement to the low stakes games and then take it up again.

That is my only point.

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I'd rather not wait for them to screw it up the way they did with the Saturday schedule.