No, but Bovada anonymous tables prevent me from using one.

You are correct that my example of technical issues online wasn't a good argument about for the need for information, so how about this:

I look at my HUD stats and I find out that two of the players at my table, who I don't know or don't remember, fold to C-bets about 70% of the time. That's a very useful piece of information.

It isn't just having a HUD that's important. It's another area where I'll do the work and other players won't.

I watch the videos. I read threads and blog posts about how to use a HUD. Johnathan Little talks about it in some of his coaching videos. I gather as much information as I can get, in every area of poker, and I have no doubt that it helps my bottom line.

Poker is all about small edges. If I have a HUD and villian doesn't, or we both have a HUD but I use it more efficiently, that is an area where I have an edge.

This is NOT a discussion thread on anonymous tables. And I won't address your points cuz I don't want to and I don't care. Just please stop ruining this thread.

I played a satellite to the Sunday Special 115k and it was unclear where the extra prize money was awarded during and after the tournament was completed.

It was a $6 + $.60 rebuy addon w/ 2 seats guaranteed.

Total Prize Pool: $528
Two Seats Worth: $430
Extra Prize Money: $98

LMAO!

That's information that can be obtained in about 20 minutes of sitting at a table with a person. Especially if you're playing more than one table with the person.

That's not even taking into consideration that the person could've taken a bad beat right before you sat down with them and is now spewing chips as a result of tilting. Which, is a product of the emotional factor in the game...an aspect that can't be deciphered with HUDs and statistical percentages. A player could take a bad beat one day and never be effected by it. The next day the same person can take a bad beat and blow up. Even the best of the best of TILT and anyone who claims otherwise is a complete, total, utter LIAR. A player could have just caught his girlfriend in bed with another guy and is now tilting away money at the tables. Maybe their mom died. Maybe their dog died. So many aspects of a person's life factor into their decision making at the tables and NONE of it is quantifiable with HUDs.

Let's not even get into the fact that a person's buddy could be playing on their screenname...making the HUD worthless.

Not to mention...people change playing styles occasionally. A person can overhaul their game in a relatively short amount of time. Making the previous year of stats totally irrelevant. In that case the information that you're basing your decisions on is totally inaccurate and is putting a HUD user at a complete disadvantage. That's a big part of the reason I would NEVER use a HUD....wouldn't even consider it. Poker is too complex to be broken down into numbers and stats. When you're talking about a game that largely revolves around emotions, attempting to break it down into numbers is a good representation of futility.

Poker is an art...not a science. If it were a science any idiot could get a HUD, follow it, and win. It's not an opinion that HUDs don't conclusively give a player an edge. It's a fact proven by the fact that many losing players possess HUD's.


How do you explain all the players out there that lose money with HUDs? Plenty of losing players use HUDs. It would really be interesting seeing statistics on how many losing players possess HUD's, because I would be willing to bet that MOST HUD users are in fact losing players. Not necessarily because they're using HUDs, but because they're bad players and the HUDs only get them so far.

OMG you make this thread unreadable for all players and WPN reps. They are just going to ignore this thread when we see rants about things that have NOTHING to do with mtts. Please take your arguments to the NVG low content thread.
Seriously could a mod move leaky chips non content posts out of this thread to allow WPN reps to read this thread. Nobody respond or quote to him please.

Also, as a new poster here can anyone confirm that the WPN rep actually reads/engages in this thread? Is this a waste of time? There are so many improvements needed to the schedule!

Yes, the WPN reps read the forums, but they don't post in this thread. Also I've noticed that the reps haven't posted recently, but I can imagine they will be posting soon regarding the upcoming series, and they probably will reply to any posts they think they should.

And yes, LeakyChips is making an unusual mess of this thread.

Weird. I've always had this update by the time Late Registration ended.

ugh this 5 hour long registration is just awful....

honestly WPN reps, if you read this, I'm not an MTT grinder who wants these things to fit neatly into my schedule. This is like 1 of 5 MTTs I've played this year. This is a painful experience. I'm not playing anything with more than a 2hour late registration ever again.

Please add antees from the start in every single tournament that starts with 5k starting stack. Or at least starting at 30/60, the early levels of these deep structured mtts seem completely pointless and are the biggest nit fests of all time. Having blinds going from 50/100 no antee to 50/100 antee is a huge waste of 15minutes.

Also +1 on shortening late reg to 3hours max.

6 hours and didn't mincash heh

yeah you need to learn to reg in the last hour or so

Same here i feel your pain.

Structures are way to deep, please delete a few levels. Blinds like 325 650 and 375 750 should never exist.

Antees at least at 30/60 please

Getting a big stack then making an adjustment to bleed those chips, makes no sense. There should be deepstack tournaments because some players want them. There should also be some not-so-deep tournaments for players that want those. The point of disagreement is how many of each should be offered.

A tournament is either deep (which means it will go longer) or it isn't. Pick a lane.

Deep stack tournaments are great, however pre ante mtt poker with 100-500bb is not poker. There is no inventive to play anything but the up most top of your range preflop as there is no real point to stealing the blinds/preflop raises. This creates an extreme nitfest that is not enjoyable for anyone. Antees should start from 30/60 to encourage players to play tournaments from the start and create more action, as opposed to waiting for the top 5% of your range.



A tournament with 15minute blinds and 5k+ starting stack is a deep tournament, and there is no need to add in addition levels that shouldn't exist. Deleting a few levels would still keep the games very deep but end at a reasonable time frame. There never should be a "blind jump" from 50/100 no antee to 50/100 antee. They are also almost the only option of non turbo mtts on the network. I don't see why there shouldn't be more 10 minute 5k starting stack tournaments with decent guarantees.

This is coming from a player who is fairly new to playing on WPN. Would love to here the thoughts of structure flaws/improvements from regs who have been playing for a long time on the network day in day out.

I picked my lane, and thats the not redepositing lane.

+1

It became obvious to me that ACR's structure isn't about player preference but meeting unrealistic gtd's anyway possible, which is 5hr late reg and unlimited re-entries. I could keep playing there and keep complaining about it or I could could change to the exit lane.

They're meeting their GTD's, so I doubt they care about going the lower GTD and shorter late reg route. They would have to create more MTT's to compensate for that.

For every person complaining about long late reg, there's a reg firing 2-3 bullets (which essentially = 2-3 people). You guys are just outnumbered.

I was surprised by the bolded part of your comment.

I don't want deepstacked tournaments so that I can play a lot of big cards. When stacks are very large, that gives me the effective stacks that I need to play a lot of speculative hands like T9o, 33 and 43s.

Playing with an M of 150 doesn't tighten my range, it opens up my range.

Actually deep stack tournaments are far from nitty at the start, they are e exact opposite because you have far more chips to gamble with.

See...it's this type of thinking that keeps the site from going anywhere.

And, for every $10K GTD they're satisfied with hitting there are 10 more they could be hitting every night if they would put them up on the site. 2 tournaments a night is child's play.

You guys at the company that are satisfied with meeting 2 guarantees a night need to wake up a realize that online MTT players play online poker for high volume. If we don't have a high volume of MTT options with big guarantees every day...we don't play.

This is just not true in PRE ANTE stages. There is very little incentive to steal the blinds or squeeze/3bet light as it is just spew because everyone is playing super tight. You are just wrong if you think everyone is not playing super nitty at 30/60 with 5k/10k stack without antees. Antees make a massive difference in mtt poker and need to start at a reasonable time to make the game more enjoyable.I don't understand how you would be against antees from the start or at least at 30/60. If you really are opening 43s/109 o in a non antee game with 200bb+ you are not as good as you think you are.

Also a blind jump from 50/100 no antee to 50/100 antee is the biggest waste of 15minutes of all time.

I agree with this post. There should be more tournaments with 10k+ guarntee every night. Add in more tournaments and people will show up. A decent nightly 55 around 8pm or so with a 10-15k guarntee (with sats) would do really well.

Could they even hit the guarantee on a Sunday 115k without re entry?

Boy do I have some bad news for you....

(And it may just be that HUDs are allowed on NJ sites)

What might that be? That he can't speak properly?