Oh ho ho ho ho, what a ****ing idiot I am, I forgot. They shut down their ODs to promote their stupid high roller tourney on Sundays. So I guess that tells me what weekend traffic is like. ****ing stupid site.

You still have SNG's which I'd imagine have more traffic on Sundays with no OD's. There are 10 with at least 2 players seated right now. And from my limited experience, afternoon through evening doesn't yield much more than 10 players per OD anyway (at least in the $5 turbo OD's).

Why does the Tuesday $265 30k gtd have 10 minute blinds? Please make it 15 minute?

$109 5k, change the payout structure. 12 paid in a 61 player field is not optimal, just pay 9. Think it might have gone up to 12 paid at 55 (or less!) players too

The 10-seat GTD satellite to the 109 25k is missing again.

I am a full-time poker player (mostly live now, but once in a while I try to play for a day on here) and it drives me nuts that there isn't a complete 24-hour list of tournaments.

How hard can this be? Surely they must know on Tuesday what tournaments will be running on Wednesday. All they have to do is make the list in the tournament lobby show that information. You would know when your satellite was running, and I could look at the choices and plan my day.

I have read many complaints about SNGs or On Demand or other tournament types being there one day but not the next.

WPN--Can we please have a complete tournament schedule for an entire 24-hour day? Why do we even have to ask for something so simple that makes so much sense?

+1 - They should have the full list of tournaments per day on their website to view. Would be a simple solid addition

They don't have anyone at the company employed that understands online MTT poker. Winning Tournament Director was a Sit and Go grinder in his playing days and Winning Rep was a cash game grinder in his playing days...if I read correctly awhile back. The basic stuff that every MTT player expects from the pre-Black Friday days simply won't ever exist here because there is nobody employed at the company that understands MTT poker...hence the reason they moved the Milly to 5:00 pm and have low stakes tournaments that go until 4:00 am on weeknights when people need to be at work the next morning.

They call tournaments with $500 GTD "Big 10." It's a joke. It's an insult to our intelligence to call a tournament with a $500 GTD prize a "big tournament." They think running 2 $10,000 GTD a night is enough to attract MTT players. They don't understand that MTT players will only consistently dedicate 8-10 hours of their time towards MTT's is if they can play 10 tournaments during that time and give themselves the opportunity to make final tables on a daily basis....not 2 tournaments a day.

The benefit of online poker is playing 10+ cash game/tournament tables at 1 time....HIGH VOLUME. You can play 10+ cash game tables on WPN, but not 10+ tournament tables. This company has 2 MTT's a night exceeding $10,000 GTD. They take away the benefit of playing MTT poker over the internet by limiting us to 1-2 tournaments a night with a decent GTD pot over $10K...HOW IS THAT ANY DIFFERENT THAN LIVE POKER? If you take away the volume then you take away motivation players have to play MTT poker over the internet. They advertised the Million as the return of the "the glory days of poker." However, the Sunday Million on Pokerstars was never the reason for Pokerstars' success. The Sunday Million was always merely a bonus to MTT players on Pokerstars....it was 1 freagin tournament a week...52 chances a year....it's common to play 50 tournaments and not even cash for MTT players....nobody cares about the million. Nobody ever cared about it.

The reason MTT players logged onto to Pokerstars is because they could play 52 big tournaments a day...not 52 super big tournaments a year. WPN will never effect the current poker market in the states with 52 tournaments a year...but they will with 10 solid big tournaments a night for players to log and play EVERY DAY...not just on Sunday. It will boost the bank rolls of MTT players and provide MTT players with the funds to buy into the big million/half a million on Sundays. Right now they only have 20 MTT players a week binking it in tournaments with $10,000+ GTD and then they scratch their heads and wonder why they're 500 players short on meeting the guarantee on the big one every Sunday. Would a player rather spend $20 on a satellite that gets them a $270 ticket...or spend $20 on an MTT that gets them $2,500 1st prize that they can then use to buy into the $270 Million/half million 10 times? Think about it WPN. Satellites are bull****.





WPN needs at least 5-10 tournaments a night with $10,000, or more GTD...if one meets the guarantee they all will. That's what this company doesn't get. That's why MTT players go to Bovada instead. Bovada has 10 tournaments a night with $10,000, or more in the pot. You can play for 6 hours in one tournament....bust out before the money...and you have another tournament 1 hour away from the money bubble...that's a lot more constructive use of 6-8 hours of a person's time. WPN isn't going to put a dent in that unless they meet the demand that MTT grinders are looking for and give MTT players multiple chances to win $10,000 tournaments a night.

If they just copied Bovada's schedule they could easily meet every guarantee and they would likely steal a lot of Bovada's MTT players because Bovada treats their MTT players poorly by not synchronizing the breaks, but instead they would rather risk $100's of thousands promoting 1 tournament a week. That money would be far better spent hosting 10, or more $10,000 GTD tournaments a night that will easily fill...no risk involved. they wouldn't lose a dime.

They need to make the "Big 10" a legitimate series of big $10,000+ GTD tournaments 7 days a week. That's the solution to everything going on here with them not meeting the GTD on the big one on Sunday. You need more big tournaments on a daily basis WPN. Players don't to spend 8 hours playing 1-2 tournaments...they want to spend 8 hours playing 10 tournaments.

More importantly...why does it have a $265 buy in with $30K GTD?

Bovada has a $50 buy in with $30K GTD 7 days a week and it crushes the guarantee every time. WPN should copy that tournament...only with 15 minute blinds and 5,000 chips...as Bovada's has 10 minute blinds and plays much more like a turbo with 3,000 in starting chips.

WPN could easily steal that tournament with a superior structure that requires more skill.

This!

Interesting post, and a very thorough spot-analysis. As someone who likes to play deepstacked and prepares my sleep schedule to aim at BIG 10 and other deep tournaments. A few points:

1. I've asked, several times, in different threads, what "Big Ten" is supposed to mean. Most (but not all) of the Big Ten Tournaments have 5,000 starting chips, 15-minute blinds and several hours of late registration. But some tournaments not labeled "Big Ten" offer exactly the same structure. So what does Big Ten mean, if anything?

2. I'm not much of a multitabler (I play mostly live) but I've been working on it. But it is indeed frustrating if I bust out after three hours online and that's it, there is nothing good left to play. This is indeed a disaster for those of us trying to make a living playing poker.

3. I really need a decent online option, and anonymous Bovada tables don't get it done for me. Nearby charity rooms are notoriously unreliable, often opening, then closing after a few months. The nearest casino that deals poker tournaments is more than 100 miles from my home. I'm a caregiver for an elderly relative several days a week so I can't make that 103 mile drive whenever I feel like it.

4. None of this matters if all of the lagging and freezing continues. Not long ago I was signed up for two tournaments. One froze in the first hour and eventually was canceled. Not knowing when that problem might be solved, I unregistered for the second one. My options either live or online aren't great, but at my local charity poker room, I at least have a schedule and I know and I know that the tournament won't crash after three hours.

I"m playing in tournament #3658504 on a break. We have been lagging and freezing for the last 5 minutes. Three players left and I'm in first. If it goes down, I guess I have to hope that I'm in first when that happens.

100% agree with everything said. I would certainly bring more of my volume to WPN and drop some vada mtt's if there were simply more tournaments to play.

The $109 15k (25k on W/F/S) has been going well over its guarantee for a while now. A couple months ago there would be nights that it would miss and overlay a bit.

The traffic is growing and I think more can be added to the schedule, however, I don't think current structures will allow for it. I do enjoy playing deep with long levels, but adding more of those kinds of tournaments won't work.

The BIG 10 10k and 15k start after most people get off work, so nothing can be placed earlier. Nothing can be placed later either (on weekdays) because these structures would take them even farther into the morning to complete.

I don't know that there's a solution either since WPN needs that long late reg and long levels to meet the GTD's, so making a $55 15k with 10 min levels for example probably wouldn't work.

If you were the TD how would you do this?

Edit: I do think there's room to put in some kind of 'Premiere' daily tournament at a reasonable buyin level that a lot people could afford, like the Bovada $55 30k nightly. Could run a nice little daily feeder satellite to it as well. Maybe like a $55 20k that launches around the same time as the BIG 10 10k and 15k could work?

I disagree as I have been a profitable MTT player (Approx 40K) playing no more than 1-2 MTTs at a time. Not everyone has interest in playing 5+ MTTs at a time. It can be done but there is no way in hell that by playing more than 10 MTTs at a time that you lose some of your edge even with HUDs..

I do think a mid-level 25K-30K with a 55 buyin would be nice with a start time around 6:00PM EST...

Confirmed winning player

How exactly do you win on this site? Every time I get QQ vs 99 I lose to a set or straight

Ask the post above me, he probably has more experience than me considering he played like 100 Mtts lifetime on wpn

Think about poker like a season of baseball.

Baseball is a 162-game season. Your team won't win every game. There will be winning streaks and losing streaks. The goal is to win enough times to make it to the playoffs.

Poker is kind of like that. You will have winning streaks and losing streaks. You might play a tournament or cash session where you get a bunch of big pairs. Your next tournament, you might play for two hours and not get a pair higher than fours.

What I'm saying is that poker isn't about winning every pot or cashing in every tournament. it's about how much money you make over a long period of time, like a year.

Chris Ferguson had a WPT season where he only cashed 3 times, but they were all final tables (6-figure cashes.) He did a lot of losing, but at the end of the season he made money.

That's pretty much how tournament poker works--long streaks with no cashes, but if most of your cashes are final tables, you'll probably make money.

Who cares?

Some of us would like to make more than $40K. $40K is chump change.

Wow.

1. Whether an amount is "chump change" depends at least in part on what time period you're talking about. For someone who has been playing poker full-time for 10 years, yes, I would consider that chump change. Over a month or two, most players would be very happy to make a profit of 40K.

2. People on 2+2 are, for the most part, here to talk with other players and/or learn how to get better. Belittling someone's accomplishements isn't what these forums are about. We're here to help each other out.

When I got on these forums, I didn't know anything. I watched the people play on TV and thought that I could do it and make money. Then I got on the Beginners thread on 2+2 and got 20 different versions of "you're doing it wrong--but most of those who criticized also told me how to get better. None of them told me not to do it if I couldn't make x.

3. By any reasonable economic standard, 40K is not chump change. The median net compensation in the US is 28K. The medium household income is only 52K. There are a lot of people out there who would love to be making 40K.

Before I started playing poker full-time, i was one of those people. I have worked for around 15 companies that closed or moved. There are many years when I didn't make 40K.

I finally decided to take the plunge and play poker full-time in 2006 after another employer closed a few days after I was in an auto accident. It was time to take charge of my life and not depend on a "regular job" for my income.

I knew I wouldn't make 40K the first year, or the second. It didn't matter. I had control of my life again, I was learning and getting better, I understood variance, and I knew that if I did the work the money would eventually follow.

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Are there any regular tournaments without rebuys? Everything I see has eternal late entry and hrs. of rebuys. Whatever happened to a regular nlhe tournament?

WPN CEO gave his opinion that a re-entering player is functionally equivalent to just another player registering and more re-entries mean higher GTDs, which attract players.

I tend to agree with this.. what would the counter argument be?

Aside from the long late reg of course.. I mean you can either have long late reg and higher guaranteeds or a smaller late reg period with smaller guarantees..

There's a sacrifice either way

IMO if a player wants to re-enter when the avg stack is 2.5x the starting stack, that's good for everyone.

Rebuys would be much better than re-entries though

Huh?