^The amount of the rake that is contributed to Sit and Crush

so is that in addition to the rake or a subset of the rake already listed?

Race fee is the portion of rake that goes into the Sit&Crush prize pool (approximately 25% of the total rake).

I'm the farthest thing from a rigtard, but I don't know if it's the promotions or structure or whatever that brings this type of MTT players to WPN. But they are just god-awful. Not in a fishy way either. They are just horrible on a grand scale.

And the amount of times they seem to come from ridiculously behind to win pots in these MTT's is tiresome. I don't play 10 tournaments a day but I've definitely played my fair share on WPN over the past two years, and while "lolsamplesize" and "lolvariance" and such, it's to the point now that I just see no reason to continue for my game. And I'm happy with my game overall - I've won a decent amount more than I've lost playing on WPN, Bovada, Carbon, etc. While I'm no pro or anything, I'd put my stats up against most online players.

For what it's worth, in any case. I'm nobody, and I'm sure they don't care about losing my MTT business in the grand scheme of things. I'll play cash games here and there for the enjoyment of outplaying 12-table RB grinders, but otherwise, I guess it's Carbon MTT's for me. Shame, too. I'd much rather play on WPN.

I'm not sure whether my god-awfulness is in a fishy way. How can I tell?

More seriously though:
- The addition of players from the bitcoin site has brought in some players better described as bitcoin enthusiasts who play poker than as poker enthusiasts who use bitcoin. The more often players play with horrible hands, the more often you will be beaten by horrible hands.
No offense bitcoiners, I know SOME of you are quite good.

- When those horrible hands lose, which is mostly, often we don't get to see how horrible they were, since WPN doesn't show mucked cards. But of course when those hands win, we see them every time. This makes it feel like the dummies always win. But if you look up the dummies in PT or HM, you'll see they are long term losers.

Admittedly I am mostly an SNG player, not MTT. But that's how it looks from where I sit.

Well, it's official, Nutz can no longer be taken even a little bit serious. Please see yourself to the "great poker is rigged" thread.

A player with a 40% ROI over the course of 1k tourneys is going to lose 29% of the time. Variance is very high if you grind MTTs. I almost stopped playing on WPN earlier this year because I was running so bad. Then I figured out that it's just poker. I've run much worse in live MTTs (small sample size)

http://www.nsdpoker.com/2011/01/mtt-pros/

Thanks for your always valued .02, iPlay.Glad to know someone out there is constantly keeping tabs on whether I'm relevant in today's world. Especially from such an authority on the subject.

If you were paying attention to more than the first sentence, I was talking about how bad these players are - not how rigged WPN is. Of course the worse they play, the more susceptible the game is to wild bad beats. Seeing these morons re-raise a three-bet 20 BB's or more with A8 or J5 over and over again (and thereby opening it up to winning more than usual with those hands) has gotten tiring. I (me myself, in what I play there) don't see that as much on Carbon. Probably happens, but I definitely don't see it as much.

Yeah, I'm definitely not an authority on tournament poker considering I've played 8,000+ just this year. I wish I knew as much as the guy complaining about bad players winning and how abnormal it is.

i just won a satellite for a $55 5K 6 days from instead of the same tournament that started right after I won the seat. Is there something I can do to get this fixed?


edit- winningtd was a big help thanks

ok im just going to chime in i honestly feel the RNG on site has been off. (since around the time of 1mill tournament) Just like IHasTehNutz has said it just crazy how bad you see people play and just get rewarded. And its not just new accounts and randoms some of the regs too.

You can sit and laugh call me and IHasTehNutz crazy but the site just does not feel natural anymore. I played on another site for 1 day and it feel like night and day sure you get the occasional beats but the amount of hands you see winning as a huge underdog is far more than usual.

I am not the only way that has said this and know of former winning players that have either stopped playing on the site or just created new name and started running halfway decent.

CLiffs:
Is site regged maybe not just cant keep grinding when it does not feel natural. GG winning no point in playing on a site because of good cashouts when u never cashout

The reference was to being an authority on relevancy...not to expertise in tournament poker. Curious, though...8,000 tournaments played...what's your winrate?

At any rate, I wasn't going on about the RNG...it was the level of players. And the structure/schedule as well. Just isn't suiting my game anymore.

Whats the excuse during you guys hot streaks? All skill right?

does WPN have Bounty/Knockout MTTs? if so...

buy in levels? how many per day? 50/50 split or 4/1?

annnnd i cant resist: 25+ MTTs a day is impressive volume for a part time player.

What are the best MTT's on WPN right now?

zero

Yes it has KOs, but I can't recall any super KOs. There are 4/1's, though.

Not that tough when you can play 18 tables at once and even when I was working I played as much or more than most playing "full time".

The only worthwhile bounty is a $55 (maybe $60) $5k that is only on Saturdays. During the week there is a ****ty $900 GTD $16.50 or something.

The $30 $10K & $109 $15K are the best they offer on a nightly basis, but they have a few decent guarantees you can sprinkle in too. There is maybe 10 worthwhile tournaments a night and they are all between 4 PM-9PM EST with pretty much nothing before or after.

I can run 10 marathons a day - doesn't make me a champion runner. A bit off-topic and just a general question, but when did volume replace winning as a measure of impression?

I don't think you understand how MTTs work. And when was I ever talking about how much I won or lost playing tournaments? I was simply giving an example of why I may know what I'm talking about in regards to MTTs. Meanwhile, we have you saying "OMG bad players win!!!! I'm gonna go play elsewhere!!!" and don't understand the 1st thing about tournament variance.

6 months ago when you thought you were doing well the structures and players were the best thing in the world, what happened? Pretty sure you've spent countless hours bashing me because I thought the structures needed changed, yet here we are.....

Actually it would because it would mean you are running ~2h marathons back to back for a day.

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Good point, zero.

I don't bash anyone unprovoked. Whatever I said to you, iPlay, was deserved. I come here to voice my opinion based on my experiences, and because I'm not a 25+ a day player, you instantly put it in the category of baseless whining.

I am a good tournament player. But you never really read what I say outside of the little areas you like to blow up to make look like tirades. The level of player in the MTT's I play on WPN has gone down, a lot, in the past few months. Maybe you'd notice if you cut a few tables from your grind once in a while.

So in this thread we learn from IHazTehNutz that players playing worse is a bad thing. You realize that makes absolutely no sense, right?

The reason I brought up the amount of tournaments I've played is because the nature of MTT poker is variance. You can go a very long time losing in spots where you got it in good, that's just how it goes. Sometimes you are going to lose 80/20's in a way that doesn't seem real, sometimes you are going to win 20/80's in a way that doesn't seem real, but in the long run it all evens out and the best players rise to the top. It takes a very long time to realize the long run in MTTs unless you are playing a lot of them.

You may be a good tournament player, but you clearly are clueless with how bad variance can be in tournaments.

You assume I am clueless - I know what you are talking about. I tell this to players all the time at the live games I run. Believe me, I know what bad poker players think and say. I'm not saying those things. Bad players in the end aren't rewarded - but they seem to be a lot more abundant now than they were earlier this year on this network. Not been the experience for me elsewhere.

This is what I was trying to say. :|

So, what's the problem and what was the point of posting your initial rant?

Your curmudgeon-like response and taking it out of context was the only issue I've had in this thread.

Again, the level of players on WPN seems to have decreased over the summer into early fall. Maybe it's seasonal, but it's there in my view. Yes, 'bad players are good', obviously, and I didn't say they weren't. But for my game and the way I play, I'm not a fan of what's transpired player wise - however it got this way (promos, structure, whatever - and yes, on the whole, I like the longer structure).

I've probably cashed more times from Sept to Oct than I did earlier this year, fwiw.