I don't know if many noticed but around 715 they have added a .10 $100Gtd tourney with a lot of the recommendations some of you have made. I know it is just a baby tourney and a waste of time for some but if they are using this as a proving ground it maybe something some of you try out to see if what you think is great actually is great. Right now it isn't making its guarantee. Top is usually about $20. FWIW.

Played in it last night... It was a fun tourney, got 6.50 for 4th. Not bad for .10, good one to have a cold brew with

Can we please cut back the time bank in turbo tournaments?....60 seconds plus the normal time to act is ridiculous with 5 minute blinds. You could conceivably play only one hand in a blind level if everyone in front of you used the full amount of time.

This is never going to happen. It's largely been ignored every time it's brought up. In a normal mtt in WPN, you can late reg at last second and fold to money if you used all your time bank every hand. Usually at least 5-20 players do this every game, depending on buy in. It's worse in turbo, which is why regs renter with 5 bigs.

If WPN listened to any reasonable requests from players, they'd have all the US players. Instead they listen to the guy complaining about mucked showdowns lol.

Games are so slow, I can't believe people want to shorten the levels. Still faster than bovada tho, where you get 50 secs every hand, no matter if you took 5 mins the hand before.

Not to mention there is no hand for hand so it just makes bubbles unbearably awful. It really is a shame they won't listen to the sub forum they pay for. I don't get the point in having it if you're not going to implement any of the suggestions from the players that have been supporting this site from the get go.

I agree! WPN TD, Hand for hand is necessary for a multitude of reasons...it's standard on just about every site I've played on.

As I said in another thread, even I, the vaunted current schedule apologist, have started feeling more of the sting of the late reg and had to take a break from playing MTT's here. I've been on a pretty sick slide all summer, but I had started playing from the get go instead of late-regging an hour in and just couldn't seem to get past that last 15-20 minutes of people coming in and shove-festing. Even when avoiding situations except for obvious plays, when you're sitting at 20-30-40 BB's around that time, you just get henpecked to death. Blinds are too high at that point to lose that many chips when you go with your AK, KK, AA, whatever, and lose to the 5k shove guy rocking K9 off.

Anyhow, I'm playing micro cash games to try to get my game back in order. On Carbon, of all places - mentally value my money there, perhaps, since I can't P2P. In the interim, while I'm still of the "let's not turbo every event" mentality (I do like a deeper game), I'm more open minded about changing it up. But I'm also mindful that things are actually stabilizing on their MTT schedule after the couple reductions in guarantees. So who knows what might happen in the next couple months.

Can be pretty sure there are many players not practicing proper bankroll management for tournaments with long late-reg/reentry periods.

Not sure what you mean Max Cut. I'm also not saying you're wrong, just don't get why you feel that way about long late reg/re-entry specifically, or what the point is anyway.

I took IHazleNuts statement "started feeling more of the sting of the late reg and had to take a break from playing MTT's here" to be bankroll related and was just saying he's probably not alone because many don't adjust their bankroll management properly (IMO). That may have been a misinterpretation though.

Oh gotcha. FWIW, I don't think it significantly impacts proper BRM as long as you can estimate how many people will be in by the end.

Or rather, if you can estimate your EV and variance, then BRM is easy. How many people actually do that? I'm not sure. But mathematically you can treat each re-entry as a new player (if you ignore skill levels.)

It's probably true that losing players (or players on a losing streak) lose faster with re-entries, though, because if they bust early on they're pretty likely to take another shot.

I'll be the first to admit my BM isn't great. I don't play often, which leads to taking random shots in tournaments. I'm working on it though - starting in micro cash games right now, playing, adjusting my game, trying to build a proper bankroll in a steady fashion. But breaks from MTT's are a good thing every now and then, I feel. Get worn down, refresh.

+1 to "IHazleNuts", too.

Dont you want this? Gotta put in the volume and keep ketting big hands in vs k9 and you will win longterm.

WPN is awesome for mtts. People play super nitty around the money bubble and late. ITs really simple to steal blinds and antes if you just raise solid hands in position. Also play is so deep during end game. Its good for solid players when you are at final table with 30-50 bbs and muppets. I like the structure at wpn much more than carbon. Carbon mtss involve a lot more luck (lower buyins)

I have been playing mtt's on wpn for the last nine months. The stacks are very shallow in the late stages because of the poorly built blind increases once they get around the 500/1000. (and i play every mtt up to 215)

I am not sure what you are talking about. It just sounds like you are making things up.

I'm not saying blind structures are perfect (I'm looking at you jump from 1K to 1.5K BB) but Generally final tables are pretty deepstacked (20-30+ for most players.)

i think you just never get into the late stages because every final table i've been to recently it isn't uncommon for people to have 40-50bb stacks..

On the surface it may seem like a solid opportunity. But for my game, how much I play...it doesn't lend itself to winning opportunities. I'm not a volume player, and when I play MTT's, I'm not playing a set way to grind long term. I usually play to win, and for better or worse, I live and die by that sentiment.

You aren't counting the variance in your equation, sir. It's extremely high as it is - even moreso at that stage of the game. You can't just say the final table is full of muppets...if you look at final tables over a long stretch, you'll see a lot of similar names. There's a reason for that.

I just have to get over the fact I can have decent success playing MTT's live, but that online MTT's will be a bit of a crapshoot. So that's why I'm focusing now on starting micro stakes cash games, building a real bankroll, moving up when I've hit certain marks, and maybe taking a shot or two here and there in tournaments.

After I read this post, I think you are a clueless muppet that clicks buttons. The less tournaments you play, the more drawn out a bad string of cards can feel. Volume is the most important thing. From what you say, I believe you probably don't understand proper shove/fold spots late in mtt's. Also just because the same players make final tables..... It doesn't mean they are good players. It means they are regs that put in volume. If someone plays a lot, just due to the numbers game, you will see them more often at final tables bc they put volume in (not saying they are winning players).

I mean maybe you ABI is high? You just sound a little clueless. Sure an mtt might be a crap shoot but you have to put yourself in the best spots to win. Every other player has to deal with this..... and you can't tell me everyone plays perfect.

I also agree the jump from 1000 to 1500 is big but you just have to adjust. To think the play is shallow at the end is crazy. You have 15 min levels which is solid imo. Don't bitch about shallow stacks..... just learn proper shove/fold for shallow stacks which is really not that hard.

The only complaint I have about WPN now is the mtt schedule is really withered and offers very few mtts. Would be nice if they could offer some more mtts without guarantees.

LOL

This is really starting to get annoying. I appreciate the fact that you're discussing the schedule and the things you like and don't like.. But you don't play them. You don't play tournaments.. With any regularity. I've seen you twice that I know of. That probably means you're on less than 200 games for the YEAR.. Your opinion has been heard, holds little water, and doesn't need to be repeated.

And don't give me the 'if they made my changes, I'd play more', because it's obv poker isn't your first priority for money. Maybe not even in your top 5. You post here more than you play.

So basically, stop talking about structures and what you want implemented, because you won't even be there to enjoy your changes. Let the regs and people that plan to actually play poker on the site influence the changes, eh?

Why does it matter who has an opinion on what needs changed, is that not what this thread is for? Last time I checked it's good for regs if people that don't play much get to have a say in changes too.

WPN_TD, I saw that you guys sent out a survey about social gaming/interaction so it seems you have an interest in what players think, but why not listen to this thread or others? Surely at this point you've figured out it takes more than RB and bonuses to draw people in, right? There is a lot of very good feedback in this entire sub forum just getting wasted.

Even though IHTN probably doesn't need me to stick up for him and could probably defend himself better than I could anyways I will just say this. There are very few if any people on 2+2 that deserve more respect than him. He has done more for the poker community than 99.9999% of the people on 2+2. When he gives an opinion on something it holds water since he knows what he is talking about. So please let him have his say without talking down to him, he deserves better treatment than that.

Does WPN run any tourney series throughout the year like carbonops?

Yes, every few months. I think they have a micro one coming up soon? There is another one around December that corresponds with the $1 million guaranteed.

$55 5k big 10 level goes from 500-1k to 750-1.5k

fix this asap and every other mtt that has this. come on now who's idea was that