6PM.

Personally, I don't love the change but it's not a big deal to me. IMO, 8 made the most sense in hitting most of the country, but I understand that most people can't finish at 4-5 AM like I can. I've noticed that most people posting here wanted it to be moved back.

Big overlay, I'd imagine that'll change as people notice the change. Registration just ended, 363 entries.

I guess it was a $3,500 mistake for WPN not to tell anyone they were moving it. Had I received an email I would have registered. I agree 8 PM makes more sense to start, but the structure is so long that it takes a lot of people out of the equation. They could, you know, get rid of 3 hour late reg but according to the TD that won't happen which is the reason I (and many others) play about 4 MTTs a night here.

^^ The structure of their Big 10 MTT's is a big reason why they've been steadily improving with player traffic, IM(informed)O. I know I could pull out months of data to back this up, but since I can just say things and try to make them stick, I'll refrain since it's easier.

No offense, but you play like 25 MTTs a month, right? Why you continually assume (based on a not so informed opinion) that people want to play 9 hour MTTs on weeknights is beyond me. The structure of the tournament is obviously great, but when you take the very long, deep structure and mix it with 3 hours of late reg and reentry you get a tournament that is far too long.

As someone who plays 500 MTTs a month (mainly on Bovada now because no one else wants to offer real poker tournaments) I don't want to grind until 3-4 AM for a $27 MTT.

You can manipulate and attribute their rise in traffic however you see fit, so it's not like it's so black and white. They are doing better for many reasons including the software improving, more selection of MTTs being added, some of their competition either not paying in a timely manner (Rev. Network, Lock, Merge) or just flat out making the most ridiculous business decisions ever. They also have P2P (you know, lots of MTT players are staked) and a good RB program.

Pretty sure having a tournament take far too long on a Tuesday night is at the bottom of the list as to why they are improving. In fact, I'd say it's a big thing holding them back.

Not going to beat this dead horse, simply made a comment, but felt compelled to respond to your "informed" opinion that isn't the slightest bit informed. You barely even play..... There is more people out there than people that play poker all day long and oddly enough, those are the people we all want playing. Would it not make sense to make playing tournaments on here better for them?

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean no one else does, sir.

I've tracked all WPN tournaments with $5k or higher GTD's since August of last year. Expanded it since to cover most of their offerings since December. The trend upward when they rolled the Big 10 tournaments suggests players on the whole dig the structure; whether they play one a night, or a dozen. And factor in the OSS, which predominantly featured 3 hour late reg and deeper stacks to start, trumped the pre-event GTD total by almost 20%, and brought in a tidy profit for a 10-day event, I'd say that's a strong vote of confidence.

Or I could say "it's far too long, bleh, it sucks". Either one, I guess.

What does tracking tournaments have to do with playing them? LMAO

I actually play the tournaments, I don't track them.

Like I listed above, there is MANY reasons they are picking up in traffic and the tournaments taking far too long isn't one of them. I actually love the structure because it gives me an edge. I don't love that it takes 2-3 hours longer than it should. I also don't love that rec players are less likely to play because they work at 8 AM. Obviously WPN saw this as an issue too which is why they moved it up 2 hours instead of fixing the real issue.

I love what they have been doing lately and think WPN is on the rise. That doesn't mean they should ignore what is a pretty big issue.

Fwiw, I know you refuse to compre Bovada to WPN (because you can't), but their nightly schedule blows away WPN's "tournament series" schedule and does so without reentry and mostly 2 hour late reg. Their tournaments also take 1-2 hours less than tournaments on WPN that start at the same time and are twice the players (prob 4x the unique players) and at least 2-4x the guarantees. And this is without the many positive things I listed about WPN..

Gee, I wonder where all the recs will go play? But hey, at least they finally got rid of the absolutely ridiculous Beast rake!

The reason the $12.5k was moved was because it overlaid pretty much every night. This was just the first part of the new schedule, sir. If you'd read the TD's statement, you'd know they were in the process of coming out with a new MTT schedule - or at least more improvements/adjustments.

I've final tabled and played heads up in the $12.5k before - it never once went to 8am for me.

There are a lot of reasons the traffic has increased. Promotions are strong, Sit & Crush has done well...and, the MTT schedule has produced increasingly better results over the last 6 months.

EDIT: There is no comparison to be made to Bovada. I don't refuse anything. But you'd have to acknowledge that WPN isn't Bodog, as well.

Done for the night. Keep grinding, iPlay.

I've won the tournament many times and it has taken to 3 AM EST minimum and at most it took until 5:30 AM. How could a rec play that? Just not sleep before their real job? A 6 PM start will help that, but 8 PM is really the ideal time for this tournament, they just need to tweak the structure of it.

I acknowledged many times in my last few posts how great of a job they are doing. I would absolutely love to give WPN A LOT of my money. Just because they are doing great things doesn't mean we should ignore where they are missing the boat. It took what, 2 years for the Beast to get dropped? People mathematically showed them how terrible of a promotion it was for 90% of the players and it took years to change. That isn't acceptable imo.

I shouldn't be able to finish a tournament on a different network that starts at the same time as a tournament on another 1-3 hours before when it has 2-3x the amount of entries. Do you see how that doesn't make any sense?

^^ Hey, if I'm a rec (and pretty much am by most standards) and I'm top 5 in the $12.5k, then yeah, I don't mind dragging ass to my spot at 7/11 in 3-4 hours knowing I just made a nice $500-$2,000 score. I like the $12.5k at 8pm - I'd have rather seen them augment that MTT with better options around it, to feed into it better than the 7pm $15k does. But I'm sure once the full slate is out, it'll eventually get back to form.

Well, playing on Bovada and WPN at the same time...I don't know how people do it. Bovada's lack of synced breaks along with WPN's breaking at 5 to the hour would tilt me pretty good. My point is that WPN isn't going to compete with Bovada right now. Why they even entered this discussion doesn't make sense. WPN is aiming for #1, but they've shown to take a steady approach. They're likely to become a solid #2 by the end of 2014, at any rate.

And seriously, I'm out on that note...lol. If I don't get a chill pill from someplace soon, I'm going to implode (stressed...nothing you did iPlay).

What if it's a rec who makes $150K a year and doesn't GAF about winning $2K besides the fun they get out of it? Those are the recs we want and they aren't going to sacrifice their real job performance to grind a $27 donkament for 8 hours and have to pull an all nighter. Not to mention people with kids, wifes, etc.

It's absolutely terrible playing MTTs on Bovada, that's why I waste my time typing paragraphs in threads about sites I'd much rather play at. I HATE playing on Bovada but you're stupid not to if you're serious about poker because there is so much money to be made. If there was a network that offered real poker tournaments like they do, I'd promote them like no other. I wish WPN would become that because I enjoy their site more than any other right now. Until they start offering freeze out tournaments that take a reasonable amount of time I'll be sprinting around my house to pee and let me dog out while I sit out and miss hands.

Enjoy your chill pill, sir.

Been playing a 110 player tourney for 5.5 hours and not at final table. What rec player wants to do that?

Add a couple levels and make blinds 10 minutes instead of 15. And only 2 hr late reg.

And there's no h4h on final table bubble?

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My skype name is: jbussey1503

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Yep the MTTS take way too long. Recs cannot/willnot play those. It's stupid.

I have to agree! 3 hour late reg is brutal. As a rec player I can't stomach playing 4.5 - 5 hours to mincash.

I would complain like everyone else but I've been use to playing live tournaments so I can't really complain.

You aren't making a $5-30 profit at your live tournament when cashing either.

Deposited and played in a bunch of events in the last series and enjoyed playing the site, but now that it's over I'm not finding many events I want to play outside of the sunday major.

Really think the schedule could use a lot of fleshing out... 4max, plo rebuys, high buy in 6 max, some bigger rebuys.... no reason you couldn't at least offer some nice guarantees in each of these on a weekly basis.

They do, en masse.

You'd be one of the few it seems. WPN traffic has grown steadily since the Big10 format came out (deep stacks, longer late reg).

True, but the format rewards patience just the same. They offer turbos and other quick structured tournaments too.

Yes, 2 hour rebuy periods LOL. And then you miss your add on if you forget to click auto add on..

^^ Their software could still stand to make improvements...no argument there. But as far as the structures go, you won't find me complaining. Personally, I quite enjoy them. I've often stated picking off late reg's looking to double up quick with marginal hands is +EV for me, at any rate. And at times I'll even late reg myself if I'm too busy to get in at the jump.

What do you guys think about turning the 4man Turbo SNGs into Hyper Turbo games? I think that will increase a good amount of volume in the SNG sector of WPN.

I agree that the late registration periods last too long, but I do love the software and look forward to more improvements as time goes on. Very solid network for MTTs.

why is the 12.5k not on sat and sun nights?i cant play that **** thru the week.and doesn't seem like there is a sunday offering like other sites..don't see why people wouldn't play it if it was there.

^^ Their MTT's generally fare a bit better traffic wise on the weekends, obviously. Word was they were considering putting the $12.5k up on the weekends after the OSS, but I haven't seen them run save for their usual Monday through Friday events. Would think it would have no trouble hitting the mark on Sundays, if not both weekend days.